Bits & Bobs 44

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:43

MaliA wrote:

The state governor should perform all executions. That will soon slow down the rate.

Worringly, some might enjoy it and use it in their campaign videos.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:44

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

The state governor should perform all executions. That will soon slow down the rate.

Worringly, some might enjoy it and use it in their campaign videos.

In which case they cannot be trusted and the Queen should take over again.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:46

MaliA wrote:

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

The state governor should perform all executions. That will soon slow down the rate.

Worringly, some might enjoy it and use it in their campaign videos.

In which case they cannot be trusted and the Queen should take over again.

I'm happy to let the Spanish have Florida, and it's about time Mexico got some of her land back, but do we have to give the bits west of the Mississippi back to the French?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:47

How many people are actually executed though? I though the number was quite small (especially compared to the amount of people on Death Row).

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:52

Grim... wrote:

How many people are actually executed though? I though the number was quite small (especially compared to the amount of people on Death Row).

Citations needed, but I think you're probably right. I'm sure I read somewhere also costs far more to keep someone on death row, with all the appeals and other legal formalities that have to be done before they can finally do it, than keeping them in gaol for life.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:54

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

The state governor should perform all executions. That will soon slow down the rate.

Worringly, some might enjoy it and use it in their campaign videos.

In which case they cannot be trusted and the Queen should take over again.

I'm happy to let the Spanish have Florida, and it's about time Mexico got some of her land back, but do we have to give the bits west of the Mississippi back to the French?

It'd really annoy them so I am all for it

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:58

Grim... wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Grim... wrote:

An Airbus A320 has gone down in the Alps.

142 on board, fucking hell

148 including the crew.

Early reports suggest there aren't going to be any survivors.

Crashed deliberately, say the French.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

MaliA wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Grim... wrote:

An Airbus A320 has gone down in the Alps.

142 on board, fucking hell

148 including the crew.

Early reports suggest there aren't going to be any survivors.

Crashed deliberately, say the French.

Fuck.

It appears the co-pilot locked the pilot out of the cabin and crashed it. Fucking hell. There are going to be serious ramifications and procedure changes on the back of this I expect.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Kern wrote:

Grim... wrote:

How many people are actually executed though? I though the number was quite small (especially compared to the amount of people on Death Row).

Citations needed, but I think you're probably right. I'm sure I read somewhere also costs far more to keep someone on death row, with all the appeals and other legal formalities that have to be done before they can finally do it, than keeping them in gaol for life.

I read the opposite; that is costs far more to arrange an execution (lethal injection) than to keep a prisoner for 20+ years

I'll see if I can find a source

EDIT: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Doesn't look like a super reliable source, tbh.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 13:12

DavPaz wrote:

Kern wrote:

Grim... wrote:

How many people are actually executed though? I though the number was quite small (especially compared to the amount of people on Death Row).

Citations needed, but I think you're probably right. I'm sure I read somewhere also costs far more to keep someone on death row, with all the appeals and other legal formalities that have to be done before they can finally do it, than keeping them in gaol for life.

I read the opposite; that is costs far more to arrange an execution (lethal injection) than to keep a prisoner for 20+ years

I'll see if I can find a source

That is what he said?

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5156

MaliA wrote:

Heard on the news this morning that support for the death penalty was now below 50%. Which surprised me. I would have said sub 20%

As an abstract concept I'd expect relatively low support, yet if you gave people specific examples - should the two people who decapitated Lee Rigby be given the death penalty? - I think you'd find a lot more people in favour.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Trooper wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Grim... wrote:

An Airbus A320 has gone down in the Alps.

142 on board, fucking hell

148 including the crew.

Early reports suggest there aren't going to be any survivors.

Crashed deliberately, say the French.

Fuck.

It appears the co-pilot locked the pilot out of the cabin and crashed it. Fucking hell. There are going to be serious ramifications and procedure changes on the back of this I expect.

Bloody hell, that is just weird. I find it hard to believe it is "terrorists", it must have been a suicidal person who was a dick.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Can't tell, right? Could be a guy who is suicidal, could be a guy who got emailed a photo of his wife with a gun to her head and told to crash his plane. Motivation after death is a hell of a difficult thing to figure out.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

sorry, I meant that the pilot was a terrorist directly, because surely you'd take it down somewhere populated?

Also, I am hearing rumours that it has been "confirmed" that one of the pilots was attempting to kick the cabin door in. No idea where that information comes from, though.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 13:50

Bobbyaro wrote:

sorry, I meant that the pilot was a terrorist directly, because surely you'd take it down somewhere populated?

Also, I am hearing rumours that it has been "confirmed" that one of the pilots was attempting to kick the cabin door in. No idea where that information comes from, though.

Noise from the cockpit recorder said a leak.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Bobbs - Noises on the cockpit recorder suggest that the pilot was trying to kick his way back in to the cockpit.

Cras- that has never ever happened outside of that TV series with the aliens that looked like humans and the disappearing aeroplane. And something similar in that series where Gillian Anderson's kid and a load of other posh kids got kindapped (Crisis or something?).

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Cras- that has never ever happened outside of that TV series with the aliens that looked like humans and the disappearing aeroplane.

Howard's Way?

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

The Daily Mirror wrote:

Pilots 'involved in violent struggle before crash'
The investigation has now turned into a full-blown criminal enquiry today following revelations of a violent struggle on board, reports from France suggest.

Four specialists from Interpol have joined senior French detectives trying to work out why one of the pilots on the plane locked himself into the cockpit on Tuesday morning.

There were two airmen on board and they are said to have been fighting to open and close the cockpit door.

A chair is at one stage used to block the door, as the pilots shouted at each other in German, before the one outside ‘tried to smash the door down’.

The captain of the Airbus A320 had 6000 flying hours, while his co-pilot had just 600 and had only joined Germanwings, the Lufthansa affiliate, in 2013. It is not known which one was locked in the cockpit.

The revelations open up the possibility of a rogue pilot deliberately flying the plane into the French Alps and so murdering everyone on board.

Where'd they get a chair from on a plane, ffs?

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12243

Bobbyaro wrote:

Where'd they get a chair from on a plane, ffs?

Wheelchair? Temporary fold-up stool type thing that gets stowed away during flight?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 13:57

Mr Russell wrote:

Bobbyaro wrote:

Where'd they get a chair from on a plane, ffs?

Wheelchair? Temporary fold-up stool type thing that gets stowed away during flight?

Not from inside the cockpit, though.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Apparently:
Brice Robin said the identification of the bodies has started, but the second black box has still not been found. There is a transcript of the last 30 minutes of conversation between the two pilots, he says. The first 20 are amicable. Then it gets laconical. The pilot asks the co-pilot to take over. The pilot leaves for a “natural call”.

While alone the co-pilot accelerates descent. He used keys of monitoring system to speed up descent, it was voluntary. We hear a number of appeals by the pilot to get access to the cockpit but there was no access. He knocks on the door but there is not response. There is the sound of breathing from co-pilot until impact.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

It starts out amicable and then gets "laconical"?

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

I assume this is a translation thing, or perhaps a mortal insult to Germans from the French?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Translation, I'd say. The same way 'natural call' is clearly a translation of 'call of nature'

KovacsC · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 14:08

Just booking flights now

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 14:44

From BBC Oxford's scrolly news thing, entry for 13:22 (can't work out how to do a direct link):

Quote:

"I would much rather it was somewhere that people didn't know about and learnt to discover through visiting a Chiltern Railways toilet."

Oh dear.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Laconic means brief, concise, terse. So they stopped chatting and became business-like?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

For those in or around Nottingham

http://gamecity.org/visit/

Quote:

The National Videogame Arcade (NVA) is the world's first permanent cultural centre for videogames and will open to the public for the first time on Saturday 28 March at 10am. A five-story building in the centre of Nottingham, the NVA is a place where the whole family can discover videogames, play videogames and make videogames.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Cras wrote:

Can't tell, right? Could be a guy who is suicidal, could be a guy who got emailed a photo of his wife with a gun to her head and told to crash his plane. Motivation after death is a hell of a difficult thing to figure out.

I agree that the media is seemingly reticent to call white guys terrorists, but in this case, I'd argue that terrorism always implies political motives. There are no visible political motives here, and if it had been your scenario of the guy being forced to do it surely by now some terrorist group would have claimed responsibility? Otherwise what's the point?

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5156

zaphod79 wrote:

For those in or around Nottingham

http://gamecity.org/visit/

Quote:

The National Videogame Arcade (NVA) is the world's first permanent cultural centre for videogames and will open to the public for the first time on Saturday 28 March at 10am. A five-story building in the centre of Nottingham, the NVA is a place where the whole family can discover videogames, play videogames and make videogames.

I think I know where I'm going on my week off...

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Cras wrote:

Can't tell, right? Could be a guy who is suicidal, could be a guy who got emailed a photo of his wife with a gun to her head and told to crash his plane. Motivation after death is a hell of a difficult thing to figure out.

I agree that the media is seemingly reticent to call white guys terrorists, but in this case, I'd argue that terrorism always implies political motives. There are no visible political motives here, and if it had been your scenario of the guy being forced to do it surely by now some terrorist group would have claimed responsibility? Otherwise what's the point?

Going even more Hollywood, an assassination of someone on the plane? My point is really that you don't generally wake up one morning and decide to fly a plane full of people into a mountain, and we know literally nothing about possible motives right now.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

It wouldn't be the first time a pilot decided to kill himself and take a plane full of passengers with him. Trying to ensure it doesn't happen is already an important consideration for airlines.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 21:00

markg wrote:

It wouldn't be the first time a pilot decided to kill himself and take a plane full of passengers with him. Trying to ensure it doesn't happen is already an important consideration for airlines.

How, though? You've got to trust the person sat in the chair - unless you're going to let the plane itself overrule them.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 21:06

Well, it is amongst the reasons that all US flights must have two people on the flight deck at all times.

Ultimately though, there is a degree of risk you have to take.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5156

Grim... wrote:

markg wrote:

It wouldn't be the first time a pilot decided to kill himself and take a plane full of passengers with him. Trying to ensure it doesn't happen is already an important consideration for airlines.

How, though? You've got to trust the person sat in the chair - unless you're going to let the plane itself overrule them.

Remote override of the controls from the ground, which of course then shifts the risk to those with the finger on the button there....

The other option is more flight crew so a single person can't take control, which then increases costs.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

All those people on the Krypton factor's flight simulator... Finally it could be their time to shine.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

You need an armed guard in every cockpit making sure they don't go mentals.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 22:10

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

You need an armed guard in every cockpit making sure they don't go mentals.

quo custodiet ipsos custodes

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Well, of course you arm the chief air stewardess as well, and in between serving First Class she can keep an eye on the armed guard and the pilots.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Best arm the first class passengers too, while you're at it.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 22:46

DavPaz wrote:

Best arm the first class passengers too, while you're at it.

On BA the batman would do it.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Mar 26, 2015 22:49

It is nice that they let a retired person ask a question. Usually they just have menial jobs like cleaning or stuff. I think it is good that they let him ask that.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

You're in the wrong thread Mali.

Also, batman doesn't fly commercial.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

So... Mrs K and the kids are off to Somerset tomorrow. I'm joining them for the weekend, but I'm coming back Sunday night and they're staying there until next Friday afternoon...

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:59

Party at Kissy's place?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

So... Mrs K and the kids are off to Somerset tomorrow. I'm joining them for the weekend, but I'm coming back Sunday night and they're staying there until next Friday afternoon...

"don't need these!"
*removes trousers*

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I am mostly looking forward to being able to whistle. Honestly, it's like living with Sheldon Cooper sometimes.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:53

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

So... Mrs K and the kids are off to Somerset tomorrow. I'm joining them for the weekend, but I'm coming back Sunday night and they're staying there until next Friday afternoon...

Sweet! i'll bring the wife and kid down on my Way!

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:54

THE FUCKING DOLT HAS JUST PUT MILK IN MY EARL GREY!

myp · **Posted:** Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:16

Trooper wrote:

Explain to me why I'm not allowed to run and raise money in a race for life 5k?

I don't get why my penis should have anything to do with it.

MISANDRY.

Not sure if your penis is the problem. What are the rules surrounding trans women entering?

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