Kern wrote:
Were it not for Vietnam, LBJ would be remembered as one of the great presidents.
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Goddamn Vietnam.
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
markg wrote: What did all this have to do with it again? That Mr Policeman could legitimately miss so many times before hitting the guy. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:28 ] |
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I'm assuming there will be an investigation into the prosecutor next, and then after that comes back as "everything is fine guv, honest" there will be a million dollar lawsuit from the family against either the police department or the cop, because America. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 13:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
There is still a lot of racism deep rooted in that area of the US as well, I think at lot of them haven't got over the fact Lincoln stopped slavery and Kennedy stopped segregation yet. Or for that fact the they lost the Civil war in the South . |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 14:45 ] |
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asfish wrote: There is still a lot of racism deep rooted in that area of the US as well, I think at lot of them haven't got over the fact Lincoln stopped slavery and Kennedy stopped segregation yet. Or for that fact the they lost the Civil war in the South . Paging Kern... Kern to US history, please |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 15:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
The Texan LBJ did far more for civil rights than Kennedy did, although JFK's career was cut short. Were it not for Vietnam, LBJ would be remembered as one of the great presidents. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 15:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Grim... wrote: markg wrote: What did all this have to do with it again? That Mr Policeman could legitimately miss so many times before hitting the guy. Brown was shot at least seven times though? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 15:11 ] |
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asfish wrote: There is still a lot of racism deep rooted in that area of the US as well, I think at lot of them haven't got over the fact Lincoln stopped slavery and Kennedy stopped segregation yet. Or for that fact the they lost the Civil war in the South . After the war, things were, compartively, good for the black populace in the south (other than the poverty, poor education, general racism etc). It was only when the troops were removed after the end of Reconstruction in the 1870s that the old order began to re-assert itself, leading to the century of oppression. The gutting of the 14th (equality under the law) and 15th amendments (voting rights) in the late 19th/early 20th century is one of the biggest tragedies of US history. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 15:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: markg wrote: What did all this have to do with it again? That Mr Policeman could legitimately miss so many times before hitting the guy. Brown was shot at least seven times though? That subconversation started about Tamir Rice though, I think. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Nov 28, 2014 15:19 ] |
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Kern wrote: Were it not for Vietnam, LBJ would be remembered as one of the great presidents. \ Goddamn Vietnam. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 16:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30266172 The Policeman who did the shooting has "resigned" Find it hard to believe he has just quit, as the US do look after their law enforcement people. He is also done nothing wrong technically. He must have been paid off. |
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| Author: | myp [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 16:35 ] |
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Cops lie about the shooting of Tamir Rice. http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index. ... ing_b.html |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 18:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
asfish wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30266172 The Policeman who did the shooting has "resigned" Find it hard to believe he has just quit, as the US do look after their law enforcement people. He is also done nothing wrong technically. He must have been paid off. He made a load on a bloody crowd funding thing. |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 18:48 ] |
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Yeah but he's technically bound to actually spent it on a bloody crowd now. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 21:34 ] |
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: Yeah but he's technically bound to actually spent it on a bloody crowd now. Any crowd in Ferguson ends up bloody |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Dec 04, 2014 19:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... CMP=twt_gu Grand juries not resulting in indictments: Police Officers: 80 of 81 Civilians: 11 of 162,000 |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Dec 04, 2014 20:10 ] |
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The latest one is absurd. Video evidence of an illegal choke hold, victim not aggressive, not committing any crime whatsoever, coroner rules homicide via choking... ... not even worth a trial. Just... what? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Dec 05, 2014 15:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
American Nativity wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/04/eric-garner-indicted-cop-grand-juries-video-evidence?CMP=twt_gu Grand juries not resulting in indictments: Police Officers: 80 of 81 Civilians: 11 of 162,000 Wow. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Dec 05, 2014 16:00 ] |
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Incredible, isn't it? What I never understand is the sheer scale of numbers like these, and the fact that so much of the US can just look at it without seeing a glaring issue that needs addressing. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Dec 05, 2014 16:01 ] |
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Cras wrote: Incredible, isn't it? What I never understand is the sheer scale of numbers like these, and the fact that so much of the US can just look at it without seeing a glaring issue that needs addressing. The system is working as intended though. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Dec 05, 2014 18:55 ] |
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Cras wrote: Incredible, isn't it? What I never understand is the sheer scale of numbers like these, and the fact that so much of the US can just look at it without seeing a glaring issue that needs addressing. I think what it indicates isn't so much a problem with racism as such though*, but more a general bumming of police types. * - that's not to say that there isn't one, just that that's not what's at play here. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Dec 05, 2014 21:07 ] |
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What Mr Dave said. I can't really believe (and perhaps this is just me being too naive) that a policeman would be stood there thinking "this guy's black, I've got a badge and a gun, WOOHOO, I CAN SHOOT ME SOME BLACK DUDE". I think there's more an issue of police officers being badly trained, bullying cocks, and juries siding with them cos they're the law and must have had a reason to act the way they did. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 0:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
There's a massive government thing going on with Cleveland police as they have been found to basically be absolute cunts and you're safer off without calling them as they are as likely to punch you as help you. These are the same ones that shot a 12 year old, with the officer doing he shooting having previously been fired for being not competent to hold a weapon. |
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| Author: | myp [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 0:23 ] |
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Stuff like this doesn't tend to inspire confidence in the police either. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-in-f ... k-members/ |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 16:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
"Hey boss, you know how we're taking a series famous for being military shooters, and we're respinning it as a cop game?" "Sure?" "Well, you know how there's currently a massive debate in American society over the militarisation of the police and police brutality, particularly focused on white police officers killing black men?" "Sure!" "Why don't we make the cover look like a black man about to shoot a load of cops?" "Great idea! That'll get 'em talking, and they told me at MBA School that there's no such thing as bad publicity!" 
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 16:38 ] |
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I mentioned on Twitter today that it may be wise for EA to delay releasing their game that features militarised police v civilians due to current events in America. Ended up being called 'pro-censorship'. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 16:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
yeah, stop covering up fiction, Fascist! |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... der-charge It takes a lot to shock me, but I saw this video on Newsnight last night, and it's horrifying. |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Their cops should all be made to wear helmets with cameras on them. If it wasn't for the video this would have probably got two inches of coverage in the paper local to where it happened. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
I can't even imagine the thought process where someone thinks that a man, having been pulled over for a traffic violation, requires shooting. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:21 ] |
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The sad thing is that this almost certainly happens on a fairly regular basis, but this cop was 'unlucky' that someone caught him on camera. Without that video he would have avoided prosecution entirely. Shameful. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 13:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
It's ok so long as the good guys have guns, right? |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 14:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Quote: Without that video he would have avoided prosecution entirely. Shameful. I just watched it, the cop lets 5 of more shots off and the guy falls down (I assume dead) Then he starts telling him to get his hands behind his back and that he was under arrest! Shocking that a cop would let that many shots off at that range when no gun had been pulled by the other guy. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 15:42 ] |
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Not really that shocking. US police have killed more people in the last month than the UK police have killed in the last 100 years. Or something like that. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 15:44 ] |
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It's a snappy-sounding statistic, I'd go with it. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 15:50 ] |
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Hearthly wrote: It's a snappy-sounding statistic, I'd go with it. This chart from the accompanying article is almost hilarious in how obvious it makes the point. 
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Curiosity wrote: Not really that shocking. US police have killed more people in the last month than the UK police have killed in the last 100 years. Or something like that. Since 1900. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:05 ] |
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Technically they've also killed more people in the last month than the UK police have killed in the last 100 years too. Also the last 113 years. Your correction is invalid, Sir. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
What was up with the bobbies in 1899, that's what I want to know. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Cras wrote: Technically they've also killed more people in the last month than the UK police have killed in the last 100 years too. Also the last 113 years. Your correction is invalid, Sir. The statistic specified the year 1900 though. http://www.blacknet.co.uk/the-american- ... -in-march/ |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:10 ] |
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The statistic you saw did. Curio might have seen a different one. What he said was entirely correct. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d46_1428632483 More police brutality recorded on camera. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:20 ] |
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Cras wrote: Curio might have seen a different one. I doubt it. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:26 ] |
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Trooper wrote: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d46_1428632483 More police brutality recorded on camera. It says something about the world we live in that my main thoughts from that video were "They got a chopper out to film a stolen horse?!" and the second thought was "That's a well-behaved horse." |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Future Warrior wrote: Cras wrote: Curio might have seen a different one. I doubt it. My point is that you corrected something that was true to something that was also true. That's bad pedanting. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Another "good" stat is that police have killed more Americans since 9/11 than the combined losses of those attacks and all US soldiers since 2001. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Oh my. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/depu ... -play-cop/ Quote: The reserve Tulsa County Sheriff’s deputy who fatally shot and killed a man last week when he thought he had pulled his Taser, is part of a group of wealthy donors who make large contributions to the department for the privilege of playing police officer. 
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
what, so they pay to be police officers? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 15:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
In my limited understanding*, the Sheriff in most 'cities' is an elected office and almost anyone can become a deputy. The rules vary. *TV shows and movies |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 16:07 ] |
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He's apparently a 'trained' reservist. |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 16:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ferguson thread |
Grim... wrote: Oh my. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/depu ... -play-cop/ Quote: The reserve Tulsa County Sheriff’s deputy who fatally shot and killed a man last week when he thought he had pulled his Taser, is part of a group of wealthy donors who make large contributions to the department for the privilege of playing police officer. The weird thing about that story was I couldn't remember which of the [many] fatal shootings that was. |
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