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These are pretty minor straws you're clutching at.

Feex.

sorry, is cookie saying that it is a free upgrade to 10 if I have win 7?

Yes.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/78666 ... -8-1-users

I use it every day on my work machine and to be fair I have not had a bad experience.

It supports dual screen better than 7. I don't use Metro often, other than the search.

I don't think it is as bad as ME or as bad as the detractors make out

But everyone's opinion is valid

I've started building the business case for a Surface Hub in my office today.

No it isn't.

I certainly do wonder how long the complainers spend in the start menu.

Windows 8 is a parsnip.

Once passed the front page, it is very similar to win 7

Windows 8 has a dangerous and secret past.

Windows 8 is waterproof to a depth of 25 metres.

The interface formally know as Metro is a nightmare to use on anything without a touchscreen.

Well, the real problem at the heart of Windows 8 is that it switches between two totally different interfaces to do different tasks for no good reason.

Once you install ClassicShell or similar it is fine, and basically just Windows 7 with some nice iterative changes. Bootup times are much faster too.

Nothing they showed of Windows 10 is really convincing me it'll be an improvement. If they have a simple option to turn off all the Metro stuff, Clippy 2k15 (aka Cortana) and all the other useless guff, I'm sure it will also be fine.

I have no idea why Microsoft think that people want to use apps designed for a touchscreen on a device without a touchscreen.

The Windows App Store is a right mess, full of fake apps, clones, and junk.

The "new strategy" Microsoft are taking is actually a decade old. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

Define a nightmre, waking up with no penis is a nightmare, being chased by a bear is a nightmare.

One click on a the desktop icon is not a nightmare..

Cross-platform software in an era where people use phones and tablets as small computers is a wildly different prospect to doing it when tablets barely existed and people used phones as phones.

"Trying to do anything whilst the UI keeps changing gives me a headache".

Your logical fallacy is relative privation.

I disagree with Lewie on everything apart from his point about the store. I don't have much experience with itunes/appstore but the Windows store does seem to be full of crap.

Again, in my use of windows 8, 8.1 and windows phone, the UI does not keep changing!

What on earth are you doing with it?

#ICANTBREATHE (because of Windows 8 )

LOL l34rn 2 05 n00bs.

There were some thoughts around that Microsoft want to go subscription based for the OS, and giving it away for free is actually just giving away the first year for free. See Office365.

When my mate in work first mentioned that they were giving it away free 'for a year' I thought that's what he meant and was horrified.

I have windows 8 and a touchscreen laptop. It's nice.

Use it as a computer operating system.


Obviously not happening. Are you suggesting that after X amount of time, after updating to Windows 10, people's computers will simply no longer work unless they agree to pay a subscription?

It's not a paid upgrade because Windows 8 was the worst selling version of Windows in years, despite also being the cheapest.

The bulk of the money they will make from it will be from oem/enterprise licensing.

How are you using, so it changes all the time?

I didn't keep a diary of all the times it forced me onto the Metro interface. I just excised it.

Normally when you press the windows key it fires up metro, like on win 7 it fires up the start menu.

Sorry I'm confused (I'm not reading etc). Can I upgrade to Windows 10 for zero dollars if I've got Wondows 8?

Yes.

My Windows 8.1 boots into the desktop, and I literally NEVER see the metro interface unless I want to manually lock the screen or use the search, which is keyboard driven anyway, so who cares.

SAY WHUuuuuuuuuuuuTTTT?

Hang on, do I want to though? Presumably yes? Can I do it now? Howd I do it? Do I need to backup stuff before having a go? Am I likely to fuck up my computer cause I'm a numpty? Does touchscreen work on Windows 10?

No. So stop worrying about it.

SAY WHUUUT?!

So when can I do it? INEEDZ2NO.

"Late 21015" seems to be as much as they've said so far.

Long time then.

And I've made approximately 0 effort to avoid it, so I'm wondering how you can end up flicking back and forth beyond "being a bit dim"

Well, it's made me so sick of people bitching I've deactivated my Facebook account. But that's about it.

this paragraph says you have deliberately not looked at ANYTHING they've tried to show you about 10.

Free upgrades 'for consumers'. The assumption seems to be that that means non - pro editions, rather than retail product keys. I'm sure there'll be a stink and cheap pro upgrades or something if that's the case. I don't mind, the insider previews show decent progression from 8.1.

I watched the entire presentation.

Criticism of software was the reason behind deleting a social media account? Bless.

Camel's back, straw.

Getting that way with some other things too.

Strawman? STRAWMAN? STRAW MAN!?

Anyway, can I download this now or what?

I know I'm one of the biggest W8 fanboys here, but I've just remembered one thing I hate that I hope that they resolve. When you have bluetooth turned on, the only way to not pair with a device in your device list is to completely delete it. So I always want my pen and mouse paired, but I only want by bluetooth speakers paired when I want to run sound through them as if I get home and turn bluetooth off to not have the sound pumped through them my Pen won't work properly. Then when I do want all three devices running, I have to go through a flaky and laborious re-pairing process. They should fix that shit.

What happens if you just turn the bluetooth speakers off?

Can't you go to "devices and printers" and just right click to disable them? That's what we do with the ones at the office (although that's Windows 7, I can't believe it's changed).