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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
MaliA wrote: Today was reporting that the Tories are spending £100k a month on Facebook to labour's £10k. I would be fascinated to know how each advert has been carefully worded and targetted. I've played around with Sinister Facebook's 'buy an ad' feature on occasion, and it's amazing how precise you can aim an ad. They're probably aiming them at elderly votes in key marginals, as those are most likely to vote so will be the ones who will matter. I'm still glad we have tight campaign finance laws over here, although it's still an area where things will always stink. But I don't like the idea of state funding either - if a voluntary organisation can't raise the money from its members, frnakly it should either revise its message and approach or die. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Kern wrote: They're probably aiming them at elderly votes in key marginals, as those are most likely to vote so will be the ones who will matter. The main target of UKIP, basically. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
This is dispiriting about Galloway and Bradford. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/the- ... e-galloway Quote: She is keen to sell herself as a “clean skin who can’t be approached by one clan to sort out another” – a reference to the Biradiri system of clan politics which has plagued Bradford for decades. Shakeela Lal, incidentally, is said to be the favourite among the Jhat clan, whose members are believed to have more than half the votes in the Bradford West constituency party. Makes Bradford sound backwards, corrupt and in the control of a few people. Galloway plays to this, of course, but it is still wrong. it will be of interest to see how the new voter registration affects the election. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
DavPaz wrote: Kern wrote: They're probably aiming them at elderly votes in key marginals, as those are most likely to vote so will be the ones who will matter. The main target of UKIP, basically. I spend a lot of time trying to convince people our age and, importantly, younger, that they should vote, even if they hate all concerned or can't see the point. The more other generations show up to the polls, the more parties might, eventually, take some notice of them. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 13:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ The new site is up, who do you most align to? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 13:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Trooper wrote: https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ The new site is up, who do you most align to? Labour 40% Liberal Democrats 30% Green Party 20% UKIP 10% Surprised at the UKIP one, though it's their NHS policy which is unexpectedly sane. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 14:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Mr Middle of the Road here: Green Party 30% Conservatives 20% Labour 20% Liberal Democrats 20% UKIP 10% |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 14:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Trooper wrote: https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ The new site is up, who do you most align to? Green Party 50% Labour 30% Liberal Democrats 20% |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 14:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
As with previous elections, I think I'll vote for the party promising better schools and hospitals. |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 14:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Yes, but I think that voting for a party with a cat in hell's chance of getting anywhere is not a foolish consideration, especially when facing the danger of another five years of Tory rule. I'm aware that this is a chicken and egg thing but whilst voting for purely for policies is all very well I can't help but think that it ignores the fact that politics requires collectivism and compromise, the acceptance that you can't have everything you want. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 14:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
markg wrote: it ignores the fact that politics requires collectivism and compromise, the acceptance that you can't have everything you want. *cough* Lib Dem voters in 2010 *cough* Also, the policies might be fine but the abilities of those wishing to administer them ought to count for something too. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 14:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Kern wrote: markg wrote: it ignores the fact that politics requires collectivism and compromise, the acceptance that you can't have everything you want. *cough* Lib Dem voters in 2010 *cough* Also, the policies might be fine but the abilities of those wishing to administer them ought to count for something too. 
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 14:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
50% Lib Dem 33% Labour 17% Green Sounds about right |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Lib Dem 40% Green 20% Labour 20% Conservative 10% UKIP 10% Attachment: Screen Shot 2015-02-19 at 13.58.49.png Only real surprises for me are the UKIP on NHS and Labour on Defence. I don't think it will surprise anyone that I seem to agree with the Tories on the economy 
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
33% lib dem. 16.7% lab, green, tory and ukip Tory on economy, labour on education, lib dem on Europe and defense and green on NHS. Mainly because I have some things I would never consider, no matter what else is in tje set. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Trooper wrote: UKIP on NHS Tories on the economy As predicted. Capitalist scum. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Future Warrior wrote: Trooper wrote: UKIP on NHS Tories on the economy As predicted. Capitalist scum. You wouldn't understand, you hemp-wearing commie. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Trooper wrote: Future Warrior wrote: Trooper wrote: UKIP on NHS Tories on the economy As predicted. Capitalist scum. You wouldn't understand, you hemp-wearing commie. Grow your hair out |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Green Party 80% Liberal Democrats 20% |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Mimi wrote: Green Party 80% Liberal Democrats 20% Someone Actually Electable: 0%, then. 
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| Author: | Mimi [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Yup. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Mimi wrote: Green Party 80% Liberal Democrats 20% Someone Actually Electable: 0%, then. By that metric you're saying we should only vote Labour or Tory. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Future Warrior wrote: By that metric you're saying we should only vote Labour or Tory. There's little nobility in tactical voting, but there's little clever about refusing to consider it. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Future Warrior wrote: By that metric you're saying we should only vote Labour or Tory. There's little nobility in tactical voting, but there's little clever about refusing to consider it. With FPTP there's little value in most people voting at all. I might not bother. Or move to a marginal where my vote actually matters. It's no wonder young people are so disenfranchised. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 15:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Future Warrior wrote: Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Mimi wrote: Green Party 80% Liberal Democrats 20% Someone Actually Electable: 0%, then. By that metric you're saying we should only vote Labour or Tory. He didn't say I shouldn't vote for those parties with policies I believe in, just that he didn't think they were likely electable, at present at least. I didn't take it as an instruction not to vote as I believed at least, but I'm sensible and will balance up placing my vote to adhere to what I most believe as well as where I believe it will do most good in the current political landscape. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 16:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
The whole point of the voteforpolicies site is to make people consider who they vote for, and if people actually believed their vote would count then yeah, we might see a green or Lib Dem government. But (let's say 80%) of people who would otherwise vote Green say 'oh my party will never get in - i'll vote labour instead' And then Labour get in. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 16:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
If only we weren't all too thick for STV. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 16:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Future Warrior wrote: With FPTP there's little value in most people voting at all. I might not bother. Or move to a marginal where my vote actually matters. In a safe seat, I think you're better off voting for what you believe in. Ok, so it'll be swept under by the blue/red tide, but at least you'll have signalled that people with your views exist. Quote: It's no wonder young people are so disenfranchised. So they don't vote, so parties have even more reason to ignore their needs and carry on screwing them over whilst showering older generations with bribes favours and promises because they are the ones who vote. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 16:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Mimi wrote: If only we weren't all too thick for STV. If people can work out who needs to score what to win the Six Nations, they can handle ranking candidates. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 16:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Kern wrote: Mimi wrote: If only we weren't all too thick for STV. If people can work out who needs to score what to win the Six Nations, they can handle ranking candidates. I think the process of round elimination in University Challenge and Only Connect is perhaps an experiment to see if we can handle the minor complexities of STeVe. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 16:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
tch.... Steve. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 16:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Twisted motherfucking flax! Only Connect is brilliant. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 17:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Horn-ed viper. Monday's are best days. Then Thursday (sewing bee) |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 19:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Lib Dems - 50% - Democracy; Economy; Environment; Health/NHS; Welfare Con - 20% - Europe; Foreign Policy; Defence Green - 20% - Crime; Immigration Lab - 10% - Education |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 19:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Mimi wrote: Horn-ed viper. Monday's are best days.  Especially when my alma mater thrash the opposition on 'University Challenge', or if I get 3 points on 'Only Connect'.
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 21:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Amusingly I cam out as 40% UKIP*. Yeah, don't think I'm going to be voting according to that. * - They came out as my choice on the ones where I thought "I don't care and there's little to choose in any of them. Pick any one at random. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Feb 19, 2015 23:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Trooper wrote: https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ The new site is up, who do you most align to? Fuck me, that got dull quickly. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 0:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
The 'pre-answering' is a usability nightmare. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Grim... wrote: Trooper wrote: https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ The new site is up, who do you most align to? Fuck me, that got dull quickly. Yup. Especially on the NHS. It's not like any of the parties are gonna say: "Yeah, we're gonna fuck this up so our mates can make a packet". |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Curiosity wrote: Grim... wrote: Trooper wrote: https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ The new site is up, who do you most align to? Fuck me, that got dull quickly. Yup. Especially on the NHS. It's not like any of the parties are gonna say: "Yeah, we're gonna fuck this up so our mates can make a packet". People didn't like it when Mr Farage did exactly that. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Cras wrote: The 'pre-answering' is a usability nightmare. It's also another website designed for people with tablets. Some of us are retro! |
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| Author: | Jem [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Assumed that my result would be a mix of Lib Dem and Green, ended up with 75% Lib Dem and 25% Labour. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Jem wrote: Assumed that my result would be a mix of Lib Dem and Green, ended up with 75% Lib Dem and 25% Labour. You right-wing bastard |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Natalie Bennet gave a couple of car-crash interviews this morning. This one with Nick Ferrari on LBC is worth listening to: http://www.lbc.co.uk/incredibly-awkward ... LtMIy9D.97 |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Yeah, excruciating. |
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| Author: | Trousers [ Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Natalie Bennet gave a couple of car-crash interviews this morning. This one with Nick Ferrari on LBC is worth listening to: http://www.lbc.co.uk/incredibly-awkward ... LtMIy9D.97 Yeah I was listening to the Today programme interview this morning. I had to turn it off as it was just awful - reminded me of Nicola Murray. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 13:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Bradford West Labour candidate has a change of heart |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 13:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Good on her. Family first. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 15:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Labour 50% Liberal Democrats 30% Green Party 20% |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Saturnalian wrote: Good on her. Family first. grauniad article here which I found quite scathing on the Bradford labour party. It calls into questions the local practice of block voting.
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