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Author: | Curiosity [ Thu May 28, 2015 10:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: The SNP demonstrating how clued up they are on day 1 of the new parliament by not realising they're not supposed to clap each other. Fucking morons. A delightfully severe correction by the speaker. To be honest, given the alternative is just braying loudly, I think applauding might be more civilised. |
Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu May 28, 2015 10:57 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Curiosity wrote: ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: The SNP demonstrating how clued up they are on day 1 of the new parliament by not realising they're not supposed to clap each other. Fucking morons. A delightfully severe correction by the speaker. To be honest, given the alternative is just braying loudly, I think applauding might be more civilised. While braying is... generally uncivilised, it does have an advantage over clapping of being marginally easier to shout over. |
Author: | Grim... [ Thu May 28, 2015 13:05 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
markg wrote: I thought they were shouting at him and he then decided that they were actually attempting to murder him. I would imagine it was fucking terrifying. Much as I dislike the things the guy stands for, that's a shitty thing to happen, and the cunts involved should feel properly ashamed. |
Author: | MaliA [ Thu May 28, 2015 16:20 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Galloway "has evidence of malpractice", apparently. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... efeat.html Quote: Controversial former MP George Galloway has signalled that he is starting a legal challenge against his defeat in last week's general election. [...] In a statement tonight, he said: "It has come to my notice that there has been widespread malpractice in this election, particularly over postal voting. "We are in the process of compiling the information which will form part of our petition to have the result set aside." Time expires soon. I am not sure if anything has been lodged. |
Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu May 28, 2015 17:21 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: Galloway "has evidence of malpractice", apparently. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... efeat.html Quote: Controversial former MP George Galloway has signalled that he is starting a legal challenge against his defeat in last week's general election. [...] In a statement tonight, he said: "It has come to my notice that there has been widespread malpractice in this election, particularly over postal voting. "We are in the process of compiling the information which will form part of our petition to have the result set aside." Time expires soon. I am not sure if anything has been lodged. Looks like he's decided to run for London mayor instead. I hope London isn't that stupid. |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu May 28, 2015 17:45 ] |
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Mr Dave wrote: MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: Galloway "has evidence of malpractice", apparently. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... efeat.html Quote: Controversial former MP George Galloway has signalled that he is starting a legal challenge against his defeat in last week's general election. [...] In a statement tonight, he said: "It has come to my notice that there has been widespread malpractice in this election, particularly over postal voting. "We are in the process of compiling the information which will form part of our petition to have the result set aside." Time expires soon. I am not sure if anything has been lodged. Looks like he's decided to run for London mayor instead. I hope London isn't that stupid. Can't see him winning. Can however see him taking enough labour votes to give a Tory win in a labour city though. Dick. |
Author: | Achilles [ Thu May 28, 2015 21:33 ] |
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Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu May 28, 2015 21:44 ] |
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Tax on DLA is almost certain. Which is a bummer. |
Author: | Achilles [ Fri May 29, 2015 23:38 ] |
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Author: | Mr Dave [ Sat May 30, 2015 8:52 ] |
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Cobracure wrote: Legal Highs are going to be banned which also include laughing gas (I kid you not ) I've tried 3 balloons of this stuff last year and its as lethal as crossing the road. Unbelievable. Err... Any gas that doesn't contain oxygen is potentially lethal if you do it wrong. What with needing oxygen to live and all. |
Author: | Bamba [ Sat May 30, 2015 9:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Mr Dave wrote: Cobracure wrote: Legal Highs are going to be banned which also include laughing gas (I kid you not ) I've tried 3 balloons of this stuff last year and its as lethal as crossing the road. Unbelievable. Err... Any gas that doesn't contain oxygen is potentially lethal if you do it wrong. What with needing oxygen to live and all. Crossing the road is also lethal if you do it wrong so you're not disagreeing with him here. |
Author: | Achilles [ Sun May 31, 2015 8:35 ] |
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Author: | Achilles [ Sun May 31, 2015 8:37 ] |
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Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Sun May 31, 2015 9:10 ] |
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Cobracure wrote: Mr Dave wrote: Cobracure wrote: Legal Highs are going to be banned which also include laughing gas (I kid you not ) I've tried 3 balloons of this stuff last year and its as lethal as crossing the road. Unbelievable. Err... Any gas that doesn't contain oxygen is potentially lethal if you do it wrong. What with needing oxygen to live and all. Have you never done that "Helium Squeaky Voice" thing at an office party? If you haven't, you've seen someone do it. Hell, Top Gear even filled 3 cars with the stuff for the 3 presenters a few years back! Helium is more dangerous than Nitrous. In fact it's a known painless suicide technique, a friends brother did it that way. Nitrous is getting banned more for its anti social aspect than medical as far as I can see. Glastonbury last year removed two tons of metal canisters from a single field afterwards. |
Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 31, 2015 19:38 ] |
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This is magnificent: |
Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 31, 2015 19:41 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Also this massive fucking bellend did this withdrawal of support for Miliband - http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015 ... r-comedian - I missed this originally. Who still thinks this derping shitbag has anything of worth to say? It goes from being fundamentally critical that we elect Miliband to change the world, and then it was all a mistake because he was caught up in the sense that he might be able to influence the election by talking bollocks on youtube. Thank fuck dickheads like him can't, and thrice the fool of anyone who listened or listens to him still. |
Author: | Cavey [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:22 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Yeah, I know some people like him on here but I just cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would give a fig what he's got to say about political stuff, in much the same way I wouldn't put too much emphasis on my 5 year old grandson's views on that score? He seems to have reinvented himself as Ali G, or something. Probably a fun bloke to be around socially, but (ahem), not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, it seems fair to say. Just another multimillionaire luvvie type espousing stuff about things they cannot hope to comprehend or understand, let alone rectify. Next... |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:41 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Having frozen public sector pay, the government relied more than ever on agency nurses in the NHS in the wake of higher than normal staff loss. Now the government seems surprised that the companies that supply agency nurses are profit-seeking and are raising prices as demand increases: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32961240 This certainly gives me confidence that the government can do a good job of managing private companies into our healthcare system! Also I feel great that the party of fiscal responsibility was caught flatfooted by the law of supply and demand. |
Author: | Cavey [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:00 ] |
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Heh. Fair comment, Doc, it's certainly not great, agreed. |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:26 ] |
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I'm not sure if the situation is the same now, but ten years ago agencies were a rip off perpetrated be the nurses themselves. Ward sister draws up the rota for the ward, asks all staff for their preferred hours. Staff all ask for (non unsocial hours pay) hours, so generally 9-5 Monday to Friday. Sister then requests cover for nights and weekends. By agreement a few of them come forward but by no means enough, everyone claiming unavailability. Ward is left fully staffed at daytimes and a few odd shifts. Sister goes to Agency for bank staff. The bank staff are selected by the sister from available pool, which just so happens to be the same staff on the ward which claimed not to be available for the normal rota. The agency rate to staff is c25% higher than the normal unsocial rate, and about 50% higher cost to the hospital. I know this as about 12 years ago the ward in question was used as a trial to break this cheating apart with forced hours. To help her make balanced decisions I wrote the rota for my then gfs ward using anonymised data. It did work but coincidentally I had a client that wrote software that did the same thing on a hospitalwide basis. The NHS wouldn't buy it or enforce use due to 'cost' - said cost for the trust in question was something like 5% of the estimated excess agency fees paid (some bank staff will always be required but not as much) |
Author: | MaliA [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:37 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
If my memory serves from a radio program, the NHS would pay an A&E doctor c£75k. They can earn 3x that being a locum and pick their hours. No contest really. |
Author: | markg [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:42 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: I'm not sure if the situation is the same now, but ten years ago agencies were a rip off perpetrated be the nurses themselves. That sounds very unusual to say the least. Are you talking about bank staff or agency staff? You seem to be using the terms interchangeably. The nurse bank is run internally and pays the usual rates. Staff can make themselves available to work extra hours or some staff work exclusively on the bank on a sort of zero hours arrangement. Trust employees don't moonlight for their own employers via agencies. This has been the situation for as long as I can remember.
Ward sister draws up the rota for the ward, asks all staff for their preferred hours. Staff all ask for (non unsocial hours pay) hours, so generally 9-5 Monday to Friday. Sister then requests cover for nights and weekends. By agreement a few of them come forward but by no means enough, everyone claiming unavailability. Ward is left fully staffed at daytimes and a few odd shifts. Sister goes to Agency for bank staff. The bank staff are selected by the sister from available pool, which just so happens to be the same staff on the ward which claimed not to be available for the normal rota. The agency rate to staff is c25% higher than the normal unsocial rate, and about 50% higher cost to the hospital. I know this as about 12 years ago the ward in question was used as a trial to break this cheating apart with forced hours. To help her make balanced decisions I wrote the rota for my then gfs ward using anonymised data. It did work but coincidentally I had a client that wrote software that did the same thing on a hospitalwide basis. The NHS wouldn't buy it or enforce use due to 'cost' - said cost for the trust in question was something like 5% of the estimated excess agency fees paid (some bank staff will always be required but not as much) |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:47 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
markg wrote: ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: I'm not sure if the situation is the same now, but ten years ago agencies were a rip off perpetrated be the nurses themselves. That sounds very unusual to say the least. Are you talking about bank staff or agency staff? You seem to be using the terms interchangeably. The nurse bank is run internally and pays the usual rates. Staff can make themselves available to work extra hours or some staff work exclusively on the bank on a sort of zero hours arrangement. Trust employees don't moonlight for their own employers via agencies. This has been the situation for as long as I can remember.Ward sister draws up the rota for the ward, asks all staff for their preferred hours. Staff all ask for (non unsocial hours pay) hours, so generally 9-5 Monday to Friday. Sister then requests cover for nights and weekends. By agreement a few of them come forward but by no means enough, everyone claiming unavailability. Ward is left fully staffed at daytimes and a few odd shifts. Sister goes to Agency for bank staff. The bank staff are selected by the sister from available pool, which just so happens to be the same staff on the ward which claimed not to be available for the normal rota. The agency rate to staff is c25% higher than the normal unsocial rate, and about 50% higher cost to the hospital. I know this as about 12 years ago the ward in question was used as a trial to break this cheating apart with forced hours. To help her make balanced decisions I wrote the rota for my then gfs ward using anonymised data. It did work but coincidentally I had a client that wrote software that did the same thing on a hospitalwide basis. The NHS wouldn't buy it or enforce use due to 'cost' - said cost for the trust in question was something like 5% of the estimated excess agency fees paid (some bank staff will always be required but not as much) That interchanging is unintentional as I'm mixing terms. However at the trust in question the bank was operated by an external agency, which also operated the agency staff. No-one volunteered for the bank and went straight to the agency, who used the same office and the same phone line for the first c5 years that I knew my girlfriend. (this changed with the changes the trust tried to, partially successfully enforce). * The situation was so ridiculous that my girlfriend, who hated Christmas, booked Christmas day off every year then did a long Christmas day shift, as agency, on the same ward. Even if she was put on as a staff nurse and paid as such she made double the money. *Incidentally, they situation at that trust is now better but only slightly. I trained with the FD for the same hospital and she tears her hair out on a monthly basis at salary overshoots on understaffed units |
Author: | markg [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:54 ] |
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That's absolutely crazy. |
Author: | Cavey [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:00 ] |
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^ Yeah, it is. And guess who's paying for it all... |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:01 ] |
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I've just remembered what prompted the change - when Labour brought Matrons back. For the first time (at the trust in question at least) there was a level of nursing management at a 'local' rather than finance office level. The matron in that unit (he was also a bully and a ballbreaker but it worked at the start) would vet every external staff request for the wards under his control and phone staff up to call them in as ward staff, before going to external request only as a last resort. He also tried to enforce no moonlighting on the same ward. I doubt that was allowed under employment law (and their contracts) but it worked to a degree, until they started losing staff (including my girlfriend) to other trusts |
Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:02 ] |
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He enforced moonlighting? |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:03 ] |
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Grim... wrote: He enforced moonlighting? Corrected. However there is a care delivery aspect which says moonlighting should be positively encouraged (familiarity etc) if it isn't abused. |
Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:04 ] |
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Charles Kennedy dead at 55. |
Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:28 ] |
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: Charles Kennedy dead at 55. viewtopic.php?p=863749#p863749 |
Author: | Cavey [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:29 ] |
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: Charles Kennedy dead at 55. As I said in the other thread, terrible shame for him to die so young and I'm personally gutted, even though his politics didn't especially chime with my own. He'll be very sorely missed. |
Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:37 ] |
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Yeah I think the discussion is more apt in this thread than a generic one about celebrity deaths. The bit of CK that I'll always remember is when someone asked him, I think it must have been just before the 2001 GE, who he'd like to see as Prime Minister. Without skipping a beat he said 'Charles Kennedy'. I always liked that, he seemed credible as a party leader and I remember being surprised when he resigned, drink or not. |
Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:45 ] |
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: Yeah I think the discussion is more apt in this thread than a generic one about celebrity deaths. . A 'generic' thread specifically dedicated to high-profile and notable deaths in a given year versus a single-topic thread about the 2015 general election? |
Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:46 ] |
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Hearthly wrote: ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: Yeah I think the discussion is more apt in this thread than a generic one about celebrity deaths. . A 'generic' thread specifically dedicated to high-profile and notable deaths in a given year versus a single-topic thread about the 2015 general election? Really? Really? |
Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:47 ] |
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I don't know, what's the question? |
Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:02 ] |
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[edit]Meh |
Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:23 ] |
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There aren't any other active political threads at the moment, so yes, it is. Although not much to be said as the news has garnered only a couple of comments in either thread. You really should follow through if you have something grumpy to say Grim... |
Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:40 ] |
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What's the fucking point? He's fucking immune to any kind of criticism and 1,000 other people will jump in trying to hold his hand while mine are firmly in my fucking pocket. |
Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:40 ] |
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Hint: Grim... is not having a good day. |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:43 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Hint: Grim... is not having a good day. Jesus Christ. Use the Nay thread for its intended purpose. |
Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:49 ] |
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Well, quite. |
Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:49 ] |
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: Although not much to be said as the news has garnered only a couple of comments in either thread. That's your fault for splitting the vote, like the LibDems. @Grim... Sorry old chap wasn't trying to push any buttons, to me it just seems that the Celebrity Deathlist thread (and for 'Celebrity' read 'Notable') seemed a far better fit. If Peter Molyneux died I wouldn't expect it to be pinned to the end of the GTAV thread. |
Author: | Bamba [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 14:10 ] |
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Grim... wrote: What's the fucking point? He's fucking immune to any kind of criticism and 1,000 other people will jump in trying to hold his hand while mine are firmly in my fucking pocket. Is this aimed at me at all? |
Author: | Grim... [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 14:17 ] |
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No. Forget it exists. |
Author: | Bamba [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 14:26 ] |
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Grim... wrote: No. Forget it exists. Roger that. Hope your day gets better dude. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 02, 2015 15:03 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Good FT piece by David Allen Green on the Human Rights Act repeal (or, rather, the lack of it): http://blogs.ft.com/david-allen-green/2 ... ights-act/ Spoiler for length: ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Achilles [ Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:43 ] |
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Damn, General Election has claimed its first death. RIP Charles Kennedy, history will judge you extremely favourably. You stuck to your principles no matter what. Sadly there is no room for a nice guy in politics. May you find a chatroom in heaven Charlie! |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:16 ] |
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Those crazy liberal hippies at, err, the IMF think Britain's austerity is bullshit: Quote: In countries such as the UK and Norway which controlled their own monetary policy, the advantages [to not reducing the national debt] were even bigger, the authors said.
For these countries, the IMF said the "optimal" policy involved "living with high debt pile[s]". While the Fund said this was far from ideal, it was preferable to introducing "policies to deliberately pay down the debt" because the costs were likely to outweigh the benefits. "When a country runs a budget surplus to pay down its debt, there is no free lunch, the money has to come from somewhere," said Jonathan Ostry, co-author of the report. "Either through higher taxes, which undercuts the productivity of labour and capital, or lower spending which - unless that spending is completely wasteful - has a similar effect. "Advocates of ‘fixing the debt problem’ stress that the crisis insurance benefit of lower debt without mentioning the upfront cost of the insurance. Our paper shows that insurance can be expensive. "More importantly, for countries that have ample fiscal space, the cost of insurance is likely to be much larger than the benefit. It is much better in these circumstances to just live with the debt, allowing the debt ratio to be reduced organically through higher growth." |
Author: | Cavey [ Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:03 ] |
Post subject: | Re: General Election 2015 |
Well, we've been here so many time before, Doc, so I'll keep it brief(ish). Clearly, this whole "ever increasing borrowing and debt" Socialist mantra is empirically discredited bollocks, and it doesn't matter who's saying it, sorry old chap. Try telling Greece, Portugal, Spain or Ireland that they can just keep on borrowing more and more, and this is all somehow "good" in economic terms. The problem with "large debt piles" is that there are "large interest payments" to go with them - all 'dead money' that's a continuous, never ending drag on the economy, and money that could've otherwise been spent on social programmes, infrastructure or whatever. Also, the more indebted a government becomes, the less likely creditors will believe they'll get their money back, and thus those aforesaid crippling interest repayments just spiral ever higher still (as widely empirically demonstrated). I mean seriously, Doc, this isn't rocket science or advanced economics, it's just bloody common sense. Successive Labour governments have believed, in one way or another, that they can borrow/spend their way out of the shit, and each of them has been proved catastrophically wrong. For years I was told "governmental borrowing isn't like 'normal' finances" and all the rest, but subsequent events, still very much reverberating to the current day, demonstrate otherwise. (Ed Miliband's 'we didn't overspend last time round' sent a collective shiver down the spines of ordinary working people up and down England at least, consigning him and his party to almost total irrelevance) Clearly, there also needs to be some distinction between WHOM we are talking about here. Yes, the US with its Reserve Currency and great financial importance to other big players like China and Japan, as well as being #1 world economy, does mean that it can borrow heavily (for now, albeit that could change long term). Same is true to a much lesser extent for Japan at #3. By the time you get down the list to France and the UK, though, this is much less the case, and for the likes of Greece, Ireland and Portugal, it most certainly doesn't hold (they don't have any money-rich sugar daddy states buying up their government bonds by default, to keep them afloat). I think most people have woken up to the reality that, for the likes of mid-ranking economic countries such as ours, simply piling on debt on top of more debt regardless of the economic weather, and mortgaging everyone's futures not only isn't a good idea, but is actually not morally sound either. Why should my grand kids be expected to pay for the opulent retirement arrangements of the baby boomer generation that they themselves will never have, or for the manifest economic failures of our collective, current generations? There's not much very "progressive" about that as far as I can see (to coin the Left's latest buzzword for borrow, tax 'n spend). We need to face up to responsibilities and reality, and that means cleaning up our own mess I'm afraid, not leaving it all to our hapless kids and grand kids. |
Author: | Malc [ Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:11 ] |
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Cavey wrote: ... for the likes of mid-ranking economic countries such as ours... 6th or 7th out 200+ is not mid ranking. Unless you are saying Tottenham are a mid ranking English football club? British American Tobacco are a mid ranking company? etc |
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