Be Excellent To Each Other

At the risk of being a guardian quoting PC monster, this is a rather good article, I feel.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... estigation

Note I post that in response to the Sun 'expose' rather than in response to anyone here.

Seriously - and anyone is most welcome to disagree - I've never read such utter, utter pish, in all my many years. This really *is* 'PC claptrap' (and yes, I know the term is oft over-used). But honestly, what else would one expect from The Guardian?

Sexism? Nope, I'm sure The Sun would've been just as keen to report, had it been some guy going down on 24 women in a public bar, in Spain, for the princely sum of a cheap bottle of Cava.

"Shaming of a young girl" - maybe should've thought about that one before blowing two dozen random blokes, in public, in a busy bar, whilst being filmed? Amazingly, it went public.... who knew, eh?

"police your sexuality" - what the fuck has sexuality got to do with it? No-one is getting hung up on a hetero woman giving oral sex to men - just 24 random men, in public, in someone else's country, while being filmed, for a £3 bottle of plonk. It's called minimum standards of acceptable behaviour; not acting like a total tramp in public (same goes for the guys also, though as Gnomes quite rightly points out, each of them is "only" guilty of accepting public oral sex off a single woman, not 24 of them on the bounce). Once again, the crass, sordid rep of the Brit Abroad takes yet another pasting.

"When you're airbrushed and squeezed into a Wonderbra on a billboard in a train station, you're within our boundaries. When you're drunk or sexually aggressive or blase or, God forbid, a combination of all of these, then you're outside."

Only the fecking Guardian could seriously term something like this with crass, laughably inadequate euphenisms such as "sexually aggressive" and "blase" (LOL). 'Sorry, chodding those two dozen guys in that bar, in front of all and sundry was, upon reflection, a little blase of me'

"If you don't learn to play the game and let us tell you what you can and can't do with your hands, your mouth and your vagina, then we'll come for you."

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT, YOU BELLENDS. No one gives a toss what consenting adults may, or may not do with their parts, limbs, holes and appendages, least of all people like me. Just, um, don't do it in public bars, whilst being filmed, ideally when not staying as a guest in someone else's country, yeah?

One guy at the end of the video actually does reject the BJ. Maybe he realises he's on the tail end of a chain of disease?


I didn't see a link to the video posted, and the link in the opening thread doesn't work for me, so here is one. Uncensored video, so obviously, nsfw:



My only thoughts on this are "imagine how sweaty these people all are".

Love the latest comment on this page from splutter hamza "such small dicks no wonder"

Thanks for that. If you've seen any 18-30 holiday programmes I imagine you won't be that surprised by that video. It's a step too far but it's clearly one of the sex/drinking games they get up to year on year.

Ultimately it's unacceptable to judge anyone for anything, isn't it? After all, who are any of us to say anything? Whether someone is sucking random blokes in a bar or, say, defrauding social housing, really, we all just need to keep our noses out. Tolerance and acceptance, that's the way forward. Enforce no standards, nor pass comment on any, lest you be labelled something vaguely unpleasant by some lefty socialist twat.

I'm sure there's a logical fallacy in there somewhere

Touché.

I'd suggest that when your judging takes place on the front page of a national newspaper, you should be a bit less of a dick about it, yes.

I'm not here as an apologist for the dickish antics of the British gutter press, or journalists, man.

Serious? The very fact in the first post that asfish said he was glad to have a son shows exactly how women are held up to higher moral standards when it comes to sex. It was only Flis's witty (and highly observant) statement that pointed this out.

This is 'slut shaming' pure and simple. You'd never have a man on the front page of a newspaper having done this, BECAUSE IT ISN'T NEWS.

It IS 'slut shaming', which is a bad reflection on society and on our media.

It is ALSO a pretty fucked up thing to do.

Nobody comes out of this looking good.

Footballers in at a Napa some years back.

The real sadness of this is that this Forum, over its entire lifespan, has only called Myp an idiot on five more occasions than this girl gave 'blowjobs'. Appalling behaviour.

The mayor of Magaluf thinks it's an outrage.

Strange how it wasn't an outrage when it wasn't in the news and brought in exactly the type of tourist money the town has always touted for.
This has been going on for years and years.

Well, there's no shades of grey for me here mate.
Are we really saying we can't consider someone (male or female) a 'slut' now? The word has a pretty clear definition; I know I personally wouldn't want to be married to one, and wouldn't want my daughter to be one.

If someone's a slut, they're a slut. Having oral sex with 24 blokes you don't know for (derisory) cash reward, in full and quite intentional public view, whilst being filmed (in another country) seems to fit the criteria IMO, as does receiving oral sex from a total stranger in said public place, for that matter.

I feel quite comfortable in calling a spade a spade, in this instance. It's only my personal opinion, but I'm perfectly entitled to it.

As an aside, there seems to be a new consensus emerging that we each of us can basically do what the hell we want, anywhere, to anyone. But I'm sorry - and I know I sound terribly old fashioned here (itself hilarious considering the wild old hedonist I am, en route to Sonisphere very shortly) - it's just not the case, at least not yet. I can't just openly piss in the street; if I did, people would be disgusted, I could be arrested and if I was, I'd face a big fine and be placed on the sex offenders' register too, despite no-one coming to any harm over it. Yet this is far, far worse, but people are terrified to say so because it's so un-PC these days/she's a woman (and therefore it's just *bound* to be sexist, right?)

We live in a confused world, and I simply refuse to be part of this ridiculous, hysterical mindset.

Hmm, some financial inducement could be in order? I'll put a fiver in the pot for a cheap bottle of fizz, if that helps.

Wanker

I think the point is that 'slut-shaming' isn't thinking someone's a slut, because that's a basic opinion that is perfectly valid. It's the seeming need to proclaim loudly 'Look at the slut, what a slut!' - particularly when it's done by the press, because of their reach.

Yeah, fair enough (apart from me being a wanker ).

Anyway, off home to ply Mrs C with some fizz now; I want to have a spring in my step early tomorrow morning.

Yeah, what Cras said, basically.

Was that "oral sex"? Basically she popped a flaccid cock in her mouth for a second. Then 23 other floppy cocks.

I won't disagree with that, but I'll also say that's very clearly not what anyone on this forum even remotely approached saying.

We're remarking on it, because of the media coverage, and a couple of us are quite happy to say 'Cor, a slut indeed!', but we are a fairly closed community having a conversation amongst ourselves. The point the Cavey makes, and that I agree with, is that you're made to feel you're not even really allowed to say that you agree with the basic sentiment of the story.

Quite. It clearly isn't, it's a party game imitating sex. One that I personally find weird and disgusting, but each to their own. Many of the details in the article contradict what I've read about this in Spanish news, so it's probably safe to assume that none of it is particularly close to the truth, apart from what you actually see in the video. For all we know it could have been a fairly private party that someone filmed and put on the internet.

For fucks sake, I despair, I really, really do.

Enjoy getting your wives pissed in order to get laid.

Soz, this thread is pissing me off and I can't draft the response I want to at this hour, on my phone. I may come back to it tomorrow when I'm less annoyed.

Lol. I think you'll find that was just a joke, love.

I think the stark area of shame here is in the sort of thing that the lower papers keep their sales figures alive with.

The girl in question acted embarrassingly, as did each one of those men. I'm not sure of the significance of the £3 bottle of Cava, and whether this is supposed to show that she is low in value, but each of those blokes engaged in it for ben less (for nothing) so I'm not sure what is being measured by the price of the drink.

I think two things need to be under the spotlight a bit more stringently here, though.

Firstly, who organised this challenge - if it was any kind of club/holiday rep/organisation involved then that should be looked into. Even if it wasn't a planned game/challenge but a sort of 'what would you do to win this' and the challenge was suggested by the crowd/participants, then with a lot of drunk young people around there should be some line drawn where, actually, they point out that such things could be bad for your health. I have not watched the video but on less each of those guys is wearing a condom (are they, I can't see it mentioned) then there is a chance of spreading all sorts of nasties.

Secondly, the shock, disgust and subsequent shaming have two areas of active participants > the low media and their paying readers who enjoy a the idea of their faux moral high ground covering their obviously voyeuristic glee a the story. Young women, hedonistic sex and scandal are all big ticks in the boxes for readers and the publishers. The idea that the papers have any actual distaste for such things is a joke and their publishing standards are the most reprehensible thing here, whilst they wait for the next 11 year old daughter of some vaguely famous person to show signs of 'growing up' so they can take pictures of another child for their refers to perve over.

Good post, Mimi.

For me, the significance of the £3 bottle of Cava is of secondary importance, certainly, but is worth noting. Everyone here agrees about the culpability of the men involved here; this keeps coming up for some reason, yet no one has denied it. But, it equally can't be denied that this 'reward' would appear to have been the catalyst, and without this young woman taking the initial decision to act how she did, I hardly think 24 men speculatively flopping their manhoods out in a public bar would've elicited this response of itself. It just serves to underline the cheapness of the whole sordid business.

I take your point about holiday reps and bar staff, but even at 18 you're an adult and you should be able to take responsibility for stuff. I've been egged on to do all sorts of crazy things in drunken bars, doesn't mean I've actually done it (and if I have, I don't try to blame anyone else).

I totally agree with your sentiments re the abject hypocrisy of the gutter press and journalists generally; these people are the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned, as I've said many times before (and in fact have done far more harm to the reputation of Brits than this woman ever could). But please note in my case, there is no moral outrage at all; whilst I'd personally think it gross for a woman to blow two dozen men in one sitting (and like you, would be concerned about general hygiene and STDs), I wouldn't give a fig if it's all consensual but behind closed doors.

My annoyance solely stems from the fact that, because of the crassly public nature of this, in a public place and being filmed, it has once again yet further sullied the reputation of ALL young Britons abroad, not all of whom are slappers, and also our country as a whole. I can assure you that we have the worst reputation in Europe, and as a Briton, frequently abroad, this annoys me. But that's all there is to it, no more than that.

Anyway, must dash now.

I am glad I have a son, as rightly or not the girl will be viewed as slapper. The blokes will just be lads having a good time.

In some of the papers today, its saying that she was told she would win a holiday but ended up with a bottle of cheap fizz with the same name as the holiday. She is also 18 from Ireland and her parents are very religious (read this on the Mirrors website so large pinch of salt needed)

Its the culture that's wrong over there, young people are given near unlimited amounts of booze, and engage in all sorts of drinking games. I would imagine this blow job has gone on before, difference is here there appears to have been one person who was still sober enough to operate his phone!

My hope is for my son is that he grows well enough so that he won't get his dick out and let a random girl suck in a nightclub, the wider hope is he won't go to shithole like Magaluf!

So if your son was one of those men you'd be ok with it (perhaps even congratulate them), but if it were your daughter you'd hit the roof?

See, you're part of the problem. Complete double-standards. Why should women not enjoy hedonistic pleasures just as men are allowed to without being judged? Or if we judge them, we should judge both sexes as badly as each other.

While I'm sure some numb-skulls somewhere would do that. Nobody here has. Nobody here has even remotely tried to defend the male participants, or call them justified, or otherwise implied that they're smart or clever.

asfish merely references what general society will think, whether you agree with it or not, about how much more culpable the woman is in these situations rather than the one man in 24. That doesn't make him part of the problem, and it's unfair to insinuate such an attitude from him.

You can't do anything about what society thinks, you can only control your own mind. In as much as you claim nobody has the right to judge the girl for gobbling cock, neither can you judge anyone for reacting to it as they feel most appropriate. Unless you consider yourself the arbiter of how people are allowed to judge and react to others?

Double-standard nonsense indeed.

My main issue is why her and why now? What makes this incident so much worse than the hundreds of others where people weren't hounded through the media about it?

This sort of thing, and much worse, has been going on for years in these holiday destinations, it's what they have been built on and encourage.

Also worth noting that since I don't read any cheap tabloids or visit the Daily Mail website 'ironically', I would have had no knowledge of this incident had it not been posted here. I'm sure there's a message there somewhere.

ha! I wish!

Fucking thing.

Society used to think being gay was bad, or black. Should we not try and change society to be better? Or just leave the status quo like you suggest.

Blahblah strawman fallacy link.

Again, it would be changing society in the way you think is better. There are at least two ways publicity of stories like these may affect change:

1) People become more used to cock-gobbling stories and end up not judging them because such things are so common that it's all fine and dandy now.
2) It shames people to make others think: 'Hey, maybe I shouldn't suck cock while on holiday for the lols'/'Hey, maybe I shouldn't be getting my dick out in bars in the hopes someone will suck it'.

Of course, #2 has the benefit of shock selling shitty papers to morons who find that kind of thing interesting, but aside from that I don't think you could say one outcome is better than the other.

Frankly I think she's a much better advert for Britain than the groups of 'lads' that go out there and regularly get drunk and start fights and smash places up. But that's not front page news, for some reason.

Yes, but this is objectively a bad thing, from a sexual health perspective at the very least. Getting offended that people think the whole incident was in poor taste is surely counter productive.

Objectively it's bad that the woman is held to account when the men are let off scot-free or even applauded? Ok.

I'm not even talking about this specific incident anymore, sexism is a more insidious problem now in this country than either racism or homophobia.

As I said before, the men had their cock sucked by one woman. The woman sucked 24 cocks. You might like to consider these things equally abhorrent but it's simply the case that the majority of people don't think that.

So it's rather simplistic to call these things equivalent and then blame 'insidious sexism' for the disparity in 'news' reporting.

Some guy who was there filmed it and put it online, it then went viral, then became news

The papers have squeezed all scandal out of the Rolf Harris story so guess they needed something new.

You know that's not what I'm saying. I have very clearly stated that on numerous occasions, as has almost everyone. Stop trolling.

You are completely straw-manning it here. There aren't loads of people here cheering those guys on. Plenty of people are saying that the whole thing is tawdry for everyone involved. Ditto that it's bad that society may hold one gender in worse regard for this. So stop arguing against an imagined opponent.

You may as well call everyone homophobic, as when the 'tables have been turned' it has referenced a man going down on 24 women instead of sucking 24 cocks. So insidious!

There's no part of this line that makes any sense at all.

Oh no, I disagree with you therefore I must be trolling. Grow up, Curio.

I think there are 5 things to consider here:

1) Was anyone forced, cajoled, coerced or tricked into doing something
2) Was everyone aware (or more likely did anyone care) of the health risks involved
3) Was everyone aware that it is being filmed
4) Was anyone offended by watching it
5) Is anyone's future career going to suffer

I don't think national reputations comes into as anyone who judges an individual based on the actions of similar groups of individuals is silly. (I've seen some fat greedy American's; so all American's are fat and greedy etc)

Going back to my points, there was apparently some trickery if she genuinly thought there was an actual "holiday" involved (however you see knowing "jokes" like this all the time, so I wouldn't be suprised if she was fully aware of the prize.

I doubt anyone was thinking of the health risks involved, because on the whole you don't when you are 18, on holiday and "merry"

Being aware that it was filmed, it looks like it was part of a "make an extreme video" competition, so it's fair to say people knew what was going on in that respect. Also these days, everyone has a mobile, so you've got to expect to be filmed if anything at all happens, but lots of people forget that these days anything can "go viral" and things that would be quickly forgotten can these days hang around for ever.

I don't think anyone there would have been offended, and anyone looking at websites and watching videos and is offended should just not have watched the video.

So we're left with 5, and unfortunatly I can imagine in the short term and maybe even the medium term, anyone looking on the internet for her is probably going to find out about this, and I think that's a shame.

So, what's the conclusion? Well, we have foolish roudy teenagers acting roudy and foolishly and people juding them poorly for that. I don't think that girl should be worried that some on this forum are worried about the nation's reputation suffering because of her and others like her. I don't think people should judge girls with a different moral standard to boys. And I feel a little jealous that my teenage years were not so exciting, and that the world can only be better if there is more safe sex going on!

Malc

You don't disagree with me, or anyone! You're stating an opinion that people agree with and then slating them for disagreeing with it!

The standard reaction to Myp's "You sexist beasts, stop cheering these men on" post was for people to say that they would be equally appalled if it was a man going down on 24 women.

Why did they say that? Why can't a man suck cocks? Do they think it is wrong? Is this just an insidious homophobic post? How dare they! They would probably cheer death camps for gay people! They murder gay people in their sleep!

This is an example of how Myp argues

This thread is absolutely hilarious and I think people are just making a big deal out of it.

The only thing shocking about it are the ridiculously small dicks at display, and that's the only thing that could give Brits a bad name.

The girl is doing it out of free will, and how is that different of all the risky and stupid things all the kids do in their youths? In fact, it's much less risky that balconing and abusing drugs.

I read that as baconing and now I want to know more about it. I could bring my own bacon.

Also, what the hell is balconing? Was it what Michael Jackson was doing with his baby?

Portuguese teenagers have their own magaluf which is Lloret de Mar, where they all go for spring break. Every other year some kid dies from acting stupid. Until now I don't think any of them was due to choking on too many cocks.

I think that's jumping of a hotel balcony into a swiming pool.

Malc