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"A wedding, in London? That means the day after it can be the Ticket to Ride World Championships. In Greenwich! In a pub!"


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There are loads of potential pubs in Greenwich to play in. The Union, The Trafalgar, The Cutty Sark, etc

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"A wedding, in London? That means the day after it can be the Ticket to Ride World Championships. In Greenwich! In a pub!"

26th Jan, people. Organise.

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It's all right. The beer is a bit tasteless, fizzy CO2 beer rather than ale.

No idea about Meantime as I've not tried theirs, but all the best beers are fizzy CO2 beers these days. Real ale has gone very stale for me.

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Real ale is fucking horrible. The entire time I'm drinking it the only thing going through my head is, "Man, this would be genuinely tasty if only it was colder and fizzier."


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Eugh. If you put something fizzy down in front of me it had better be made from a blend of fermented grapes grown in North-Central France.

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Real ale is fucking horrible. The entire time I'm drinking it the only thing going through my head is, "Man, this would be genuinely tasty if only it was colder and fizzier."

I used to love it, but craft beer has really opened my tastebuds up to what beer can really taste like. A lot of ale is just brown to me now.

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Euromillions rollover tonight. £150m, that should help with the house deposit.

I've done my usual and put the last £10 I won on it, back on 5 lines. I expect i'll win another tenner and do the same the next time it gets up to ludicrous levels!


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No, no it really isn't.

Also, you should climb out of your hipster ass and try some beer that doesn't have a pretentious label. :P


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I've done my usual and put the last £10 I won on it, back on 5 lines. I expect i'll win another tenner and do the same the next time it gets up to ludicrous levels!

I did my usual last Friday, and put on two lines through their website - one lucky dip, the other numbers selected manually.

You don't get to see your lucky dip numbers until you've actually put the ticket on.

6 of the 7 lucky dip numbers were the same as the numbers I selected manually.

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Doh, that's your luck all used up then, no chance you will win now.

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I've done my usual and put the last £10 I won on it, back on 5 lines. I expect i'll win another tenner and do the same the next time it gets up to ludicrous levels!

I did my usual last Friday, and put on two lines through their website - one lucky dip, the other numbers selected manually.

You don't get to see your lucky dip numbers until you've actually put the ticket on.

6 of the 7 lucky dip numbers were the same as the numbers I selected manually.

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You should climb out of your hipster ass and try some beer that doesn't have a pretentious label. :P

I did, for years. Used to love it. Not anymore. It's bland and boring. Pains me to say so because CAMRA did very good work originally, but there we are. Here's why:

http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/cra ... v-real-ale

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The term ‘Real Ale’ and its definition no longer mean anything. CAMRA have lost sight of the beer industry and continue to impose 1970’s arbitrary distinctions which no longer apply. According to this part on their website http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=180630 keg beer is:

· Chilled, filtered (to remove all yeast) and pasteurized thus ‘killing off’ the product

· Has the natural CO2 removed then is force carbonated

· Served cold to disguise lack of taste

However, with BrewDog, Thornbridge and Lovibonds kegs to name just a few, this simply is not the case. It is also completely untrue for the US craft brewing industry where craft keg is leading the revolution.

Production of craft beer has moved so much since the 1970s. Our beers are fermented under pressure so the CO2 in the final beer occurs naturally from the initial fermentation. The beer is then filtered very lightly (to around 6 Microns which leaves yeast in the beer) and we then package (without any pasteurization) before shipping.

Does this make it real ale? Probably, but who really knows anymore. And who actually cares? The fact is that beer no longer must be either bottle/cask conditioned or filtered & pasteurized. A new way has emerged with the craft brewing wave that transcends these out-dated conventions.

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American Nervoso wrote:
keg beer is:

· filtered (to remove all yeast)


Anyone who brews wheat beer would like a word about this.


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Bamba wrote:
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· filtered (to remove all yeast)


Anyone who brews wheat beer would like a word about this.

Well yes, that's what CAMRA are saying. Wheat beer isn't 'real ale'. Real ale doesn't really mean anything anymore. CAMRA have become the establishment that they originally were created to rail against.

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Oh, there is no doubting CMARA are up their own asses, but to say that beers like Citra, Hophead and many many others are lacking in flavour is just silly.


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Oh, there is no doubting CMARA are up their own asses, but to say that beers like Citra, Hophead and many many others are lacking in flavour is just silly.

Citra is an American pale ale made by a small brewery - a craft beer. Same with Hophead. Thanks for proving my point Bobby. :)

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Citra won best beer at the GBBF, run by CAMRA. It is non-gassy and rather nice. You dismissed it because it is non-gassy; not by the size of the brewery.


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Citra won best beer at the GBBF, run by CAMRA. It is non-gassy and rather nice. You dismissed it because it is non-gassy; not by the size of the brewery.


But Myp said CAMRA hate it and it is a fizzy CO2 beer!

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Citra won best beer at the GBBF, run by CAMRA. It is non-gassy and rather nice. You dismissed it because it is non-gassy; not by the size of the brewery.

I am generalising, obviously. There is still some excellent stuff being made in casks. Just the real ale business as a whole (with ginormobreweries such as Greene King) is pretty stagnant and boring these days.

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But Myp said CAMRA hate it and it is a fizzy CO2 beer!

Err, I didn't say that at all. I said the best beers around are fizzy CO2 beers. Not that all CO2 beers are better than cask, because that would be crazy as it includes Carling.

Real ale can be craft beer, but not all craft beer can be real ale as per CAMRA's antiquated terminology.

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Bobby: we should go to Buxton brewery at some point for a tasting session - would be fun!

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Citra won best beer at the GBBF, run by CAMRA.

And also, the fact that the GBBF is run by CAMRA means that some of the greatest beers being brewed in this country right now are not allowed to enter. It's pretty much a shambles at this point.

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Citra won best beer at the GBBF, run by CAMRA. It is non-gassy and rather nice. You dismissed it because it is non-gassy; not by the size of the brewery.

I am generalising, obviously. There is still some excellent stuff being made in casks. Just the real ale business as a whole (with ginormobreweries such as Greene King) is pretty stagnant and boring these days.

All ginormo breweries are boring in general, because they are aiming at a mass market, that doesn't mean boring is nasty. A good pint of London Pride still hits the spot, but I would generlly prefer a smaller brewery.
But to take you up on a point, just because it is a small brewery does not mean it is not real ale. Not that I really care about the categorisation, I am just getting a bit bored with the whole hipster aspect of "craft" beer. There is now an apparent back lash against small breweries becasue they try and follow CAMRA rules and not "go it alone" and produce "craft" beer. Ludicrous.

(I completely agree re CAMRA, btw, I just don't think hitting the breweries is the way to go against it).


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Bobby: we should go to Buxton brewery at some point for a tasting session - would be fun!


Time it when I am visiting the in laws please

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I just don't think hitting the breweries is the way to go against it.

Which I wasn't doing at any point. Apologies if it came across that way.

Of course smaller breweries can make real ale. Real ale can also be craft beer (as in it is made in small batches using high-quality ingredients for a beer with excellent flavour). But CAMRA won't allow certain craft beers to be classified as real ale because of ancient regulations that they refuse to budge on.

I love small breweries whether they use cask or keg. It's the huge breweries making 3 different types of brown, flavourless beer at 4% that I just can't abide anymore. Beer can be real ale without any kind of quality control of the flavour, that is the main problem.

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Bobby: we should go to Buxton brewery at some point for a tasting session - would be fun!


Time it when I am visiting the in laws please

Would be easier if you set a date, then I'll come up. Make sure W comes too.

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Beer can be real ale without any kind of quality control of the flavour, that is the main problem.


Beer can of course also be craft beer without any kind of quality control of the flavour.

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Beer can be real ale without any kind of quality control of the flavour, that is the main problem.


Beer can of course also be craft beer without any kind of quality control of the flavour.

Not in this country, no. That's why it's being pushed to have a proper definition of it in the UK so that the big breweries can't continue to call their hipster-labelled 'craft beer' craft beer.

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It can in the US too. Unless you're seriously telling me it has to pass a 'how does it taste' commitee before it can have a 'craft' label stamped on it.

Craft only refers to how it's made, not if it's any good.

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It can in the US too. Unless you're seriously telling me it has to pass a 'how does it taste' commitee before it can have a 'craft' label stamped on it.

Craft only refers to how it's made, not if it's any good.

Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!

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A brewer that has a majority of its total beverage alcohol volume in beers whose flavor derives from traditional or innovative brewing ingredients and their fermentation. Flavored malt beverages (FMBs) are not considered beers.


By definition any beer that is made this way will taste 'better' than Coors Light or Greene King IPA. CAMRA say as long as it's cask conditioned it can be defined as real ale. This means Greene King (sorry to pick on them, but they are the worst) can mass produce their flagship IPA on a quick turnaround, with scant regard to quality, as long as it's made in a cask.

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Beer can be real ale without any kind of quality control of the flavour, that is the main problem.


Beer can of course also be craft beer without any kind of quality control of the flavour.


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The main problem I have with many beers at present is they are over hopped to fuck. This is a pain of a trend. Also, cask beer is better than kegged beer. And lager has been perfected so much people cannot tell the difference between them.

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The main problem I have with many beers at present is they are over hopped to fuck. This is a pain of a trend. Also, cask beer is better than kegged beer. And lager has been perfected so much people cannot tell the difference between them.

I love a properly aged lager like Brooklyn, but the pasteurised stuff they serve en masse in this country is pap.

Cask is better for dark beers like milds, porters and stouts - keg is better for lighter beers like IPA, APA etc, IMO. Lots of hops is good - more flavour. So many amazing citrus and tropical flavours.

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If you're not seeing that default network name available to connect to then it would imply the router has lost even the default ISP settings. If that's the case just phone them up and tell them that because it's not worth buggering about with it when their own settings have been lost from it.


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It can in the US too. Unless you're seriously telling me it has to pass a 'how does it taste' commitee before it can have a 'craft' label stamped on it.

Craft only refers to how it's made, not if it's any good.

Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!

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By definition any beer that is made this way will taste 'better' than Coors Light or Greene King IPA. CAMRA say as long as it's cask conditioned it can be defined as real ale. This means Greene King (sorry to pick on them, but they are the worst) can mass produce their flagship IPA on a quick turnaround, with scant regard to quality, as long as it's made in a cask.

This is patently bullshit, you could make budweiseresque beer and meet these criteria.

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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.

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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Or cold. Or with a head.

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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Or cold. Or with a head.


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I was reading through the Glasgow based burger review blog 'James Vs Burger ' and came across this from a time when the reviewer was in Vegas and now my taste buds won't let go of the idea. I love peanut butter and something about having it in a burger sounds fucking amazing.


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I was reading through the Glasgow based burger review blog 'James Vs Burger ' and came across this from a time when the reviewer was in Vegas and now my taste buds won't let go of the idea. I love peanut butter and something about having it in a burger sounds fucking amazing.

I had a peanut butter burger at a diner-themed restaurant in the UK.

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Eugh. If you put something fizzy down in front of me it had better be made from an unexpected blend of lemons and vodka.

Fixed that for you.


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Mr Dave wrote:
Cras wrote:
Eugh. If you put something fizzy down in front of me it had better be made from an unexpected blend of lemons and vodka.

Fixed that for you.


Pleb.

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Can I get an app on my phone that monitors when I am reading about a film and it tells me if it is on netflix or amazon prime?

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