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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:31 
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Beer can be real ale without any kind of quality control of the flavour, that is the main problem.


Beer can of course also be craft beer without any kind of quality control of the flavour.

Not in this country, no. That's why it's being pushed to have a proper definition of it in the UK so that the big breweries can't continue to call their hipster-labelled 'craft beer' craft beer.

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It can in the US too. Unless you're seriously telling me it has to pass a 'how does it taste' commitee before it can have a 'craft' label stamped on it.

Craft only refers to how it's made, not if it's any good.

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It can in the US too. Unless you're seriously telling me it has to pass a 'how does it taste' commitee before it can have a 'craft' label stamped on it.

Craft only refers to how it's made, not if it's any good.

Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!

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Less than 25 percent of the craft brewery is owned or controlled (or equivalent economic interest) by a beverage alcohol industry member that is not itself a craft brewer.

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A brewer that has a majority of its total beverage alcohol volume in beers whose flavor derives from traditional or innovative brewing ingredients and their fermentation. Flavored malt beverages (FMBs) are not considered beers.


By definition any beer that is made this way will taste 'better' than Coors Light or Greene King IPA. CAMRA say as long as it's cask conditioned it can be defined as real ale. This means Greene King (sorry to pick on them, but they are the worst) can mass produce their flagship IPA on a quick turnaround, with scant regard to quality, as long as it's made in a cask.

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Beer can be real ale without any kind of quality control of the flavour, that is the main problem.


Beer can of course also be craft beer without any kind of quality control of the flavour.


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I do like a nice beer. So many local breweries around Shropshire. It is great.

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The main problem I have with many beers at present is they are over hopped to fuck. This is a pain of a trend. Also, cask beer is better than kegged beer. And lager has been perfected so much people cannot tell the difference between them.

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The main problem I have with many beers at present is they are over hopped to fuck. This is a pain of a trend. Also, cask beer is better than kegged beer. And lager has been perfected so much people cannot tell the difference between them.

I love a properly aged lager like Brooklyn, but the pasteurised stuff they serve en masse in this country is pap.

Cask is better for dark beers like milds, porters and stouts - keg is better for lighter beers like IPA, APA etc, IMO. Lots of hops is good - more flavour. So many amazing citrus and tropical flavours.

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It can in the US too. Unless you're seriously telling me it has to pass a 'how does it taste' commitee before it can have a 'craft' label stamped on it.

Craft only refers to how it's made, not if it's any good.

Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!

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By definition any beer that is made this way will taste 'better' than Coors Light or Greene King IPA. CAMRA say as long as it's cask conditioned it can be defined as real ale. This means Greene King (sorry to pick on them, but they are the worst) can mass produce their flagship IPA on a quick turnaround, with scant regard to quality, as long as it's made in a cask.

This is patently bullshit, you could make budweiseresque beer and meet these criteria.

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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.

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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Or cold. Or with a head.

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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Or cold. Or with a head.


Right?!

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I was reading through the Glasgow based burger review blog 'James Vs Burger ' and came across this from a time when the reviewer was in Vegas and now my taste buds won't let go of the idea. I love peanut butter and something about having it in a burger sounds fucking amazing.


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I was reading through the Glasgow based burger review blog 'James Vs Burger ' and came across this from a time when the reviewer was in Vegas and now my taste buds won't let go of the idea. I love peanut butter and something about having it in a burger sounds fucking amazing.

I had a peanut butter burger at a diner-themed restaurant in the UK.

It was okay.

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Eugh. If you put something fizzy down in front of me it had better be made from an unexpected blend of lemons and vodka.

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Eugh. If you put something fizzy down in front of me it had better be made from an unexpected blend of lemons and vodka.

Fixed that for you.


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Can I get an app on my phone that monitors when I am reading about a film and it tells me if it is on netflix or amazon prime?

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Can I get an app on my phone that monitors when I am reading about a film and it tells me if it is on netflix or amazon prime?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... ties&hl=en

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https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/can-i-s ... 25519?mt=8

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Disappointing. But I just bought a ps one and some games for 15 quid. Yay

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It is probably creepy to take someone 14 years worth of birthday cards as you haven't seen them in that long, isn't it?

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It is probably creepy to take someone 14 years worth of birthday cards as you haven't seen them in that long, isn't it?


That depends. How well do you know her?

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That depends. How well do you know her?

From when I was 18-21. I could work mu redemption thing.

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I had a peanut butter burger at a diner-themed restaurant in the UK.

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Cras wrote:
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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Or cold. Or with a head.


Right?!

Did you read the link I posted? Have you even tried one?

I am arguing from the position of knowledge here - stop Gnomesing. You are basically Gamergate at this point (world has moved on - world of ale is more exciting and broad these days. You have been left behind).

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Cold fizzy things are served in flutes. Beer is warm and flat. You're a stupid.

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Cold fizzy things are served in flutes. Beer is warm and flat. You're a stupid.

Flutes, snifters, schooners, teku. Yeah.

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Cras wrote:
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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Isn't this similar to what you were saying about not being 'precious' about food, though, and to forget doing it 'right'? Food snobbery and objective taste differences through being educated as to what is 'proper' in a beverage shouldn't get in the way of just enjoying what you enjoy. There's one way to encourage people to try new things, but telling each other that the drinks they enjoy or the way they enjoy them is 'wrong' and that your way is better is the same as making someone feel ashamed of their favourite foods because of food and drink snobbery.

That's not just at you, Craster (only because I remember talking to you about macaroni cheese at the cottage), but the 'right' and 'wrong' way to select and take your drinks shouldn't matter as long as you enjoy them.

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I've not said keg is better than cask, but that it is better for certain types of beer. You have dismissed this. That is because you're a Gnomeser, Craster.

#StopGnomesing2014

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I've not said keg is better than cask, but that it is better for certain types of beer. You have dismissed this. That is because you're a Gnomeser, Craster.

#StopGnomesing2014


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No idea about Meantime as I've not tried theirs, but all the best beers are fizzy CO2 beers these days. Real ale has gone very stale for me.

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Still stand by that, as a simplistic generalisation. It's obviously a bit more complicated than that.

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I guess my gripe is that it is a massive over simplification; however, I agree completely that the keg process allows a lot more flavour to be included. I personally love late hopped beers (some really nice New Zealand ones if you see them), but I am not a big fan of beers which are too gassy. The "mouth feel" (yeah, I went there) isn't right for me, the advantage of a lot of these is they can be degassed, but sadly some of them lose their flavour as they aren't robust enough.

You should come to the GBBF next year.

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Does anyone else have problems posting with Chrome on Android? Generally navigating the forum is fine but Chrome seems to sometimes get totally confused when typing a post up. It'll freak out and move the cursor so you're suddenly adding characters in the middle of a previous sentence or just flat out stop showing new characters being added to the text box even though the keyboard is still giving the relevant autocorrect suggestions and whatnot. I get it on my phone using Swype and on my tablet using the vanilla Google keyboard so Chrome seems to be the only common factor. My last post before this one went so to shit that I had to swap over to Firefox just to finish it.


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Will do. If you come to the London Craft Beer Festival.

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Does anyone else have problems posting with Chrome on Android? Generally navigating the forum is fine but Chrome seems to sometimes get totally confused when typing a post up. It'll freak out and move the cursor so you're suddenly adding characters in the middle of a previous sentence or just flat out stop showing new characters being added to the text box even though the keyboard is still giving the relevant autocorrect suggestions and whatnot. I get it on my phone using Swype and on my tablet using the vanilla Google keyboard so Chrome seems to be the only common factor. My last post before this one went so to shit that I had to swap over to Firefox just to finish it.

I used to get that (not just here, but with other forums that used plain textboxes for input) but I always assumed it was Swype. Hmm.

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Does anyone else have problems posting with Chrome on Android? Generally navigating the forum is fine but Chrome seems to sometimes get totally confused when typing a post up. It'll freak out and move the cursor so you're suddenly adding characters in the middle of a previous sentence or just flat out stop showing new characters being added to the text box even though the keyboard is still giving the relevant autocorrect suggestions and whatnot. I get it on my phone using Swype and on my tablet using the vanilla Google keyboard so Chrome seems to be the only common factor. My last post before this one went so to shit that I had to swap over to Firefox just to finish it.

I used to get that (not just here, but with other forums that used plain textboxes for input) but I always assumed it was Swype. Hmm.


To be fair I haven't used an alternative browser often enough to properly the blame at Chrome's door so it could be something to do with Android in general; I've no idea.


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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Isn't this similar to what you were saying about not being 'precious' about food, though, and to forget doing it 'right'? Food snobbery and objective taste differences through being educated as to what is 'proper' in a beverage shouldn't get in the way of just enjoying what you enjoy. There's one way to encourage people to try new things, but telling each other that the drinks they enjoy or the way they enjoy them is 'wrong' and that your way is better is the same as making someone feel ashamed of their favourite foods because of food and drink snobbery.

That's not just at you, Craster (only because I remember talking to you about macaroni cheese at the cottage), but the 'right' and 'wrong' way to select and take your drinks shouldn't matter as long as you enjoy them.


Ah, I suspect you're missing the bit where I'm arguing with Myp and dissing his latest hipster hobby because Myp rather than any actually held opinion ;)

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Taste is subjective though. You don't like beer at all!


You're in here pretty much saying it isn't though. And I do, I like a number of ales. Just don't understand why anyone on earth would want ales to be fizzy.


Isn't this similar to what you were saying about not being 'precious' about food, though, and to forget doing it 'right'? Food snobbery and objective taste differences through being educated as to what is 'proper' in a beverage shouldn't get in the way of just enjoying what you enjoy. There's one way to encourage people to try new things, but telling each other that the drinks they enjoy or the way they enjoy them is 'wrong' and that your way is better is the same as making someone feel ashamed of their favourite foods because of food and drink snobbery.

That's not just at you, Craster (only because I remember talking to you about macaroni cheese at the cottage), but the 'right' and 'wrong' way to select and take your drinks shouldn't matter as long as you enjoy them.


Ah, I suspect you're missing the bit where I'm arguing with Myp and dissing his latest hipster hobby because Myp rather than any actually held opinion ;)

I wouldn't have it any other way. :luv:

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Anyways, so I meet my friend at 4pm at Fanny's and we have a beer and then we wanted some food so we went up the road the the Tram Shed but they weren't serving food at half four on a Saturday WHICH MAKES NO SENSE. So we went to the chipshop and then on to the Ring o Bells where Robert Baratheon has been seen. We had a couple in there and then went back to Fanny's and I had a few more pints of Saltaire Brewery's Cascade Pale Ale (all the while decrying the over hopping and over use of cascade hops nowadays). Then, a man with a double bass, a man with a banjo and a man with a guitar and harmonica started playing songs and singing and it was most awesome. So wes tayed and had more beer. Then I had a kebab. And then we went home or something and I played PS4. it was super.

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Patty&Bun at the weekend, that was really fucking good. Better than MeatMarket.


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