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| Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 04, 2014 12:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
No, quite right Curio. I think the point being made that is that she, more than anyone, should appreciate that cheap newspaper accusations should not be taken at face value. She is a typically pathetic politician though, clinging to any bandwagon that she thinks will curry favour with the public. |
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| Author: | Dr Lave [ Sun May 04, 2014 12:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
asfish wrote: Cras wrote: I find it hard to believe that you don't get that a white person using a racial epithet to describe a black person and a black person using the same epithet to describe another black person has a significant difference in how it would be taken. It never started as an insult and was never meant to be one. The PC brigade has took an old fashioned word and made such a fuss that it’s something that black and white people have no idea what to do with it. Black people sit pissing themselves laughing at Chris Rock so they have no cause to take offense at the word. You can’t have it both ways. If you put black or white in front of any standard insult if far more offensive that honky or nigger I'm kinda astonished at your understanding of this. Of course you can have it both ways. The word was used as a racial insult by white people who controlled and subjugated black people. Those people reclaimed the word to strip it off it's power to control and humiliate them. That happens countless times by oppressed groups. And in doing so, white people have lost the ability to say it because of it's use during slavery and oppression. It's not about fairness, or PC (gone mad) it's about being civil and kind and caring. That and the fact that part of the reason we sit here in the developed word, at the top of the global food chain is because we founded our nation on the exploitation of others. And pretty much the only cummupance for that is that the white people in our society cant say one word. You can pretend that this is all in the past, but it clearly isn't. The average wealth of white people versus black people, especially in america, demonstrates that society still hasn't integrated since that exploitation. The sins of the father still benefit the great great grandchildren. I just think that any white person should have enough understanding and realisation of history to feel shame that their quality of life is built on the exploitation of others, and so avoiding words like that should be something you want to do. (also; knowing a rich black person, or Obama, doesn't deflate this argument) |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun May 04, 2014 12:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Lave taking the high road there. My own response was more along the lines of "are you fucking kidding me?" |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Sun May 04, 2014 12:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
ElephantBanjoGnome wrote: No, quite right Curio. I think the point being made that is that she, more than anyone, should appreciate that cheap newspaper accusations should not be taken at face value. She is a typically pathetic politician though, clinging to any bandwagon that she thinks will curry favour with the public. That I agree with. |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Sun May 04, 2014 12:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I watched 12 Years A Slave and I'm amazed that some black people even want to use the word today: It has such vile and abhorrent connotations. Mind you, 12 Years A Slave wasn't out 30 years ago when rap music started. That being said, I still rap along with the hip hop music and don't think I'm a racist for doing so. |
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| Author: | Anonymous X [ Sun May 04, 2014 12:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I can't believe that anyone with a straight face can deny that what is universally regarded as the most toxic and reviled racial epithet in the English language is a 'bad word'. |
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| Author: | Wullie [ Sun May 04, 2014 12:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Saturnalian wrote: 12 Years A Slave wasn't out 30 years ago when rap music started. The book was though & I reckon a few of the hippity hoppers must have read it.
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| Author: | Malc [ Sun May 04, 2014 13:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Also I have no problem using the word whilst talking about the subject, or quoting someone else who has used it. I think that's just down to common sense though, common sense and maturity. Malc |
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| Author: | ElephantBanjoGnome [ Sun May 04, 2014 13:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I don't have a problem using the word Nigger when I'm talking about the word Nigger in the context in which the word Nigger is used. None of this 'the word that shall not be named' bollocks. Unless I'm saying something like 'Shut the fuck up, you dumb nigger', there's no problem referencing the word itself. Again, that's half the point. Society, or perhaps the media, are so fearful of being branded racist they they haven't even the courage to say it in a clinical, referential way. |
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| Author: | myp [ Sun May 04, 2014 16:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I love Lave. |
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| Author: | Mimi [ Sun May 04, 2014 16:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I love lamp. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Sun May 04, 2014 16:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
British Nervoso wrote: I love Lave. You should see that new movie, 'Pompeii' ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun May 04, 2014 17:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Curiosity wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I love Lave. You should see that new movie, 'Pompeii' ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! You know nothing |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Sun May 04, 2014 21:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
DavPaz wrote: Curiosity wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I love Lave. You should see that new movie, 'Pompeii' ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! You know nothing +1 |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Sun May 04, 2014 22:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
DavPaz wrote: Curiosity wrote: British Nervoso wrote: I love Lave. You should see that new movie, 'Pompeii' ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! You know nothing Jon Snoooow. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun May 04, 2014 23:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Please, get the accent right. It's Jon Snurrrrr. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Sun May 04, 2014 23:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I'm no fan of Clarkson; as far as I'm concerned the guy's a buffoon, knows very little about cars/driving, and it's a total mystery to me how someone like him can make £14 million a year? Fair play; there's hope for us all. (Albeit, having said that, anyone who describes Gordon Brown as a "cunt" at least has some redeeming qualities, eh). However, the latest avalanche of faux rage, this time at some entirely un-fucking unbroadcast clip of him reciting a nursery rhyme, with hundreds of fully paid up Guardian luvvies and wannabees all writing into the BBC in unison about how ***disgusted*** they all are, in green ink no doubt (er, despite not having seen anything about it) just makes me sad. Sad at the quite ludicrous country (and people) we've become; all IMO of course. Gah. I just find it all rather pathetic, really. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Mon May 05, 2014 1:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Oh Cavey, it's Express and Mail readers who write in complaints, not Guardianistas. They're too busy saving the world from the comfort of their Waitrose. |
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| Author: | Pod [ Mon May 05, 2014 11:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
However, the latest avalanche of faux rage, this time at some entirely un-fucking unpublished letters from Guardian readers that were chastising Clarkson, with hundreds of fully paid up forumites all writing on the forums in union about how ***disgusted*** they all are, in green ink no doubt (er, despite not having seen anything about it) just makes me sad. Sad at the quite ludicrous country (and people) we've become; all IMO of course. Gah. I just find it all rather pathetic, really. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon May 05, 2014 11:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I'm curious about what these outraged wannabees actually want to be; and why they think writing complaint letters to the BBC will help them achieve their goals, because that seems very unlikely. More than their mock anger I'm appalled and confused by their poor career planning here. Also, does the Guardian only offer a membership fee for luvvies and wannabees or is the scheme open to other people? And what are the benefits? Aside, of course, from having your letter writing campaigns co-ordinated to the extent of having the individual letters written simultaneously. I mean it's impressive of course, but not massively useful to me. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Mon May 05, 2014 15:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
 I just think these days, people get off on being offended? Seems overrated to me, spending most if not all of one's time being pissed off at something and/or someone, the latest hate figure or whatever. It's an oft-overused phrase, but personally I just wish such people would get a life collecting stamps or whatever. I've just spent the day at Oulton Park with friends, drinking cider and watching the British Superbikes (and various scantily clad biker babes). It's been great. 
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Mon May 05, 2014 16:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Cavey wrote: :shrug: I just think these days, people get off on being offended? Seems overrated to me, spending most if not all of one's time being pissed off at something and/or someone, the latest hate figure or whatever. It's an oft-overused phrase, but personally I just wish such people would get a life collecting stamps or whatever. I don't think most people give a shit TBH Cavey, it's just a small number of people making a lot of noise about a total non-event. In today's 24 hour news culture pretty much anything can become a 'big' story, especially when there's a well known celeb attached. I think I liked the news better when it was a once a day event with the newspapers, and then proper news programmes in the evenings. Now any old shit can become 'news' because every site out there wants new content all the time. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon May 05, 2014 18:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Interestingly, the only thing I've read from a black person on this subject (which was Great Big Winston on Facebook) completely agrees with asfish. |
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| Author: | Malc [ Mon May 05, 2014 18:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
My wife (who is black) pretty much agrees with me on it, this is a mountain out of a molehill. It's all about the context. Malc |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Mon May 05, 2014 18:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Dontcha think this is almost exactly the same as the Hot Coffee GTA mod? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon May 05, 2014 19:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Saturnalian wrote: Dontcha think this is almost exactly the same as the Hot Coffee GTA mod? 
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Mon May 05, 2014 19:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Grim... wrote: Interestingly, the only thing I've read from a black person on this subject (which was Great Big Winston on Facebook) completely agrees with asfish. GREAT BIG WINSTON! |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon May 05, 2014 21:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Grim... wrote: Saturnalian wrote: Dontcha think this is almost exactly the same as the Hot Coffee GTA mod? I imagine it's the "idiots creating enormous mountains out of moleanthills" thing. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon May 05, 2014 21:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Someone getting offended by something that they would never have seen unless it was leaked |
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| Author: | Derek The Halls [ Mon May 05, 2014 21:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Why didn't he just use the eenie meenie I always knew? Eenie meenie minie mo, sit the baby on the po, when it's done, wipe its bum, eenie meenie minie mo. And yes. Ip dip dog shit. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon May 05, 2014 22:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Mr Dave wrote: Grim... wrote: Saturnalian wrote: Dontcha think this is almost exactly the same as the Hot Coffee GTA mod? I imagine it's the "idiots creating enormous mountains out of moleanthills" thing. I always thought Rockstar deserved everything they got about that for telling big old lies. Plus, of course, it helped them sell loads of computer games. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon May 05, 2014 22:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Curiosity wrote: Grim... wrote: Interestingly, the only thing I've read from a black person on this subject (which was Great Big Winston on Facebook) completely agrees with asfish. GREAT BIG WINSTON! He talks about football a lot. I don't really know what he's on about, but his friends seem to like it. He also really likes Dragonball Z. |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Tue May 06, 2014 0:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
FO SHIZZLE MY NIZZLE |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed May 07, 2014 16:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Apparently Clarkson got a standing ovation from the audience when he entered the set to film QI today, and yet the QI twitter feed couldn't quite bring itself to mention that he was there. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue May 20, 2014 12:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Told you it would all blow over. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue May 20, 2014 12:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Mr Russell wrote: Told you it would all blow over. So you missed the ritual suicide in Trafalgar Square? Jesus dude, pick up a newspaper once in a while! |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue May 20, 2014 13:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Bamba wrote: Mr Russell wrote: Told you it would all blow over. So you missed the ritual suicide in Trafalgar Square? Jesus dude, pick up a newspaper once in a while! Heh, I don't read papers. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
OFCOM rules it was offensive and the BBC roll their eyes. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
I should congratulate those who were outraged for reintroducing that particular term to the language. Own goal much? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Right? I've got no doubt it was on purpose, but I didn't notice it at the time. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 14:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Indeed, it was on purpose, but I'd hardly say it was anything more than a linguistic joke in any case. But I suppose people have axes to grind. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 14:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
If it was on purpose then writing it off as just a 'linguistic joke' is a bit mealy-mouthed. You wouldn't make, or forgive, a linguistic joke around the word nigger or spic or whatever; I don't understand why this is different? |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 14:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Mainly as those are words people recognise as offensive. (Although I'm slightly baffled at the way people find words offensive by default, with no thought as to the intention behind them. A word only has whatever power you choose to give it.) |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 15:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Mr Dave wrote: Mainly as those are words people recognise as offensive. I'm aware that slope's a derogatory term so I recognise is as offensive. Am I not supposed to or something? I'm not really sure what your argument is here. If it was an intentional joke then Clarkston must've known of the word's double meaning. So unless he thought 'slope' was an endearing or complimentary term (which is possible, but seems unlikely) then surely he was being a dick in using it? Mr Dave wrote: (Although I'm slightly baffled at the way people find words offensive by default, with no thought as to the intention behind them. A word only has whatever power you choose to give it.) I don't think anyone does find a word offensive by default; they find it offensive if it's got an inherently offensive meaning (e.g. fuck, shit, cunt) or if it's been used offensively widely enough to earn that meaning (e.g. all racial slurs ever). |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 16:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Bamba wrote: Mr Dave wrote: (Although I'm slightly baffled at the way people find words offensive by default, with no thought as to the intention behind them. A word only has whatever power you choose to give it.) I don't think anyone does find a word offensive by default; they find it offensive if it's got an inherently offensive meaning (e.g. fuck, shit, cunt) or if it's been used offensively widely enough to earn that meaning (e.g. all racial slurs ever). So, Is JayZ being racist here : http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/nig ... tor99.html No. Because Context. It is quite depressing the way that one of he British favourite pastimes is being offended by stuff. Leading to a ridiculous carousel of words as they fall out of favour for being 'offensive'. If I were to use such words, it wouldn't automatically make me a racist, due to, you know, not having any particular prejudices against any race. If you were to think it did, that would make you an idiot. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Mon Jul 28, 2014 16:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Mr Dave wrote: So, Is JayZ being racist here : http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/nig ... tor99.html No. Because Context. Indeed, the context being that not only is Jay-Z a member of the group that's been the target of the derogatory term but it's also a term that the group in question has spent decades reclaiming. Is Clarkson an Asian rap star? Is there a massive culture of Asian rap stars all over the globe churning out songs in which they call each other 'slant'? And why are you making me type all this out, given that there's no way in hell you don't already know it? Mr Dave wrote: It is quite depressing the way that one of he British favourite pastimes is being offended by stuff. Leading to a ridiculous carousel of words as they fall out of favour for being 'offensive'. A ridiculous carousel? Really? You don't think you might be massively over-dramatising that? How many words in your lifetime are you really bothered that you can't use any more? Bearing in mind, before you come back and inevitably try to use 'slant' as an example, that as you say context is important and words like 'slant' are perfectly acceptable in the right context so you can't claim those to have been placed on this carousel you're so annoyed at. Mr Dave wrote: If I were to use such words, it wouldn't automatically make me a racist, due to, you know, not having any particular prejudices against any race. If you were to think it did, that would make you an idiot. You should probably find someone who thinks that then and tell them so; it's not very useful information for me. While you're doing that I'll carry on thinking that anyone using racists terms, even if they're not actually racist, is a bit of a tit who really needs to more carefully consider their word choice. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Mr Dave wrote: Bamba wrote: Mr Dave wrote: (Although I'm slightly baffled at the way people find words offensive by default, with no thought as to the intention behind them. A word only has whatever power you choose to give it.) I don't think anyone does find a word offensive by default; they find it offensive if it's got an inherently offensive meaning (e.g. fuck, shit, cunt) or if it's been used offensively widely enough to earn that meaning (e.g. all racial slurs ever). So, Is JayZ being racist here : http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/nig ... tor99.html No. Because Context. It is quite depressing the way that one of he British favourite pastimes is being offended by stuff. Leading to a ridiculous carousel of words as they fall out of favour for being 'offensive'. If I were to use such words, it wouldn't automatically make me a racist, due to, you know, not having any particular prejudices against any race. If you were to think it did, that would make you an idiot. Kanye disagrees Quote: Earlier in the interview, Goldberg, who is white, started quoting a line from West’s song, Flashing Lights: “I got flashed by the paparazzi/ Damn, these niggas got me.” West interrupted there, telling Goldberg “to ask for a … pass” before using the N-word. “You can’t just say [that] word around me,” West said. “It offends me because you’re a white person saying ‘nigga’.”
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 13:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Kanye is a dick, it appears. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 13:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Oh shit, the rest of that article! Oh shit! Is he serious? |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 13:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarkson |
Grim... wrote: Oh shit, the rest of that article! Oh shit! Is he serious? Oh man, that article made me L-Lolz, as tragic as it is. Truly, there are some absurd people in this world. 
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