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 Post subject: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 17:58 
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As an individual, I suspect I'd enjoy "doing lunch" with the tab-smoking, pint quaffing, plane crashing bad boy of British politics that is Nigel Farage. Who among us didn't secretly cheer at his EU Parliament lambasting of faceless grey men presiding over ineptitude, waste, democratic deficit and fraud? He's my kind of guy. Can you imagine going out for a few scoops with Milliband? :D

But, by heck, even he must've shrivelled to a currant upon hearing 'teh gays are causing floods' remarks from his own ranks; fuck me. Face palm doesn't really cover it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 18:08 
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Farage is a dick. I think if I was in a pub with him I'd burn the place down. A public schoolboy turned banker turned political leech, siphoning money from the EU and ignoring his actual supposed duties there. His economic policies stop fractionally short of slavery. He's about as far away from a man of the people as it is possible to get.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 18:14 
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Mate, I only said I suspect I'd enjoy a pint with him, I'm no UKIP supporter as you know. Plenty (if not ALL) people I socialise and drink with don't agree with my politics but we get along just fine.

Just saying he seems more 'real' and a bit of a breath of fresh air as compared to carefully schooled politicians of today; a character at least.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 18:28 
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Farage is a dick. I think if I was in a pub with him I'd burn the place down. A public schoolboy turned banker turned political leech, siphoning money from the EU and ignoring his actual supposed duties there. His economic policies stop fractionally short of slavery. He's about as far away from a man of the people as it is possible to get.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 18:29 
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DIFFERENT air I'll grant you, but 'fresh' is more subjective.

Like, a farmer may prefer manure and silage to centuries of stale gin and cigar smoke, but a desperately wealthy born-into-it toff of breeding maybe not so much.


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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 18:32 
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Don't really know what else to say; I'd have a pint with him but would never vote for his party?

Anyway, public school jibes? Most of Labour's front bench went to public school and so do their kids!! At least Farage doesn't have that hypocrisy about him. Urgh.

Milliband: man of the people...? Lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 18:35 
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As an individual, I suspect I'd enjoy "doing lunch" with the tab-smoking, pint quaffing, plane crashing bad boy of British politics that is Nigel Farage. Who among us didn't secretly cheer at his EU Parliament lambasting of faceless grey men presiding over ineptitude, waste, democratic deficit and fraud? He's my kind of guy.


I suspect I wouldn't.

[quote] Can you imagine going out for a few scoops with Milliband? :D
No.

Indeed, the same could be said for pretty much any career politician.


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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 18:39 
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Don't really know what else to say; I'd have a pint with him but would never vote for his party?

Anyway, public school jibes? Most of Labour's front bench went to public school and so do their kids!! At least Farage doesn't have that hypocrisy about him. Urgh.

Milliband: man of the people...? Lol.


Yeah, sorry, he's one of my buttons and I'm off ill whilst feeling like shit at the moment, so am grumpy.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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Don't really know what else to say; I'd have a pint with him but would never vote for his party?

Anyway, public school jibes? Most of Labour's front bench went to public school and so do their kids!! At least Farage doesn't have that hypocrisy about him. Urgh.

Milliband: man of the people...? Lol.


Yeah, sorry, he's one of my buttons and I'm off ill whilst feeling like shit at the moment, so am grumpy.


That must make doing your shirt up really annoying, no wonder you're grumpy.
Hope you don't have button flies, because thar would be the worst.


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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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Like, a farmer may prefer manure and silage

Ahahahaha what?
I can assure you they wouldn't. Unless they were fucking odd.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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Like, a farmer may prefer manure and silage

Ahahahaha what?
I can assure you they wouldn't. Unless they were fucking odd.

I think it's a metaphor.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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Don't really know what else to say; I'd have a pint with him but would never vote for his party?

Anyway, public school jibes? Most of Labour's front bench went to public school and so do their kids!! At least Farage doesn't have that hypocrisy about him. Urgh.

Milliband: man of the people...? Lol.


Yeah, sorry, he's one of my buttons and I'm off ill whilst feeling like shit at the moment, so am grumpy.


Sorry to hear that mate, arses. :(

There was some fly on the wall documentary about Farage on TV last night, which I half watched; quite interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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I saw that. The only nice thing to say about him is that he seems quite consistent. Consistently a cunt, though. It was also abundantly clear that he is the acceptable face of a party made up of xenophobic old fuckwits. If he gains any more ground then he's going to have massive problems keeping a lid on the horrible views of all his colleagues in the party. People will soon see them for what they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:14 
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Hmm, sorry, I can't help but feel that's harsh, Mark?

I'm from immigrant stock (ironically, Eastern European) and proud of it; I feel well-placed to pass judgement or otherwise in the matter. Clearly this thread isn't the place to do it (apologies to those concerned), but for the first time in a long time, I feel the need for a Beex political thread of my own coming on soon - about UKIP. I think we need to properly thrash this one out, as a collective. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:25 
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Hmm, sorry, I can't help but feel that's harsh, Mark?

I don't think so. I'm generalising about paid up party members, not just anyone who votes for them.


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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:52 
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From personal experience, UKIPpers are BNP-lite. Immigrants are evil, basically. Oh the fun tea-break debates we have :)


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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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From personal experience, UKIPpers are BNP-lite. Immigrants are evil, basically. Oh the fun tea-break debates we have :)

I don't think they really know what they stand for. Even Farage has stated he doesn't know what policies are on his website as he doesn't agree with some of them when pressed. It's a joke of a party who will get protest votes like the Lib Dems used to get.

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Although it is worth stressing that there's nothing xenophobic about being against the European Union and how it is structured etc. Sadly, most UKIP voters combine being aginst EU with being against foreigners, and end up taring all Eurosceptics with the same brush.


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Although it is worth stressing that there's nothing xenophobic about being against the European Union and how it is structured etc.

Absolutely not, even Nick Clegg who is the most pro-European of the senior politicians in any of the main three parties has said there are lots of things about the EU he doesn't like and would like to change. However, how can you change it by leaving it?

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It's a joke of a party who will get protest votes like the Lib Dems used to get.

Quite - but they got "elected". Kind of.

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It's a joke of a party who will get protest votes like the Lib Dems used to get.

Quite - but they got "elected". Kind of.

Lib Dems were polling ABOVE Labour at one point before the 2010 election, but ended up losing MPs. People revert to type when they actually had to put the X in the box. A lot of people who say they'll vote Ukip now may find themselves hesitating with the piece of paper in their hand.

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Although it is worth stressing that there's nothing xenophobic about being against the European Union and how it is structured etc.


:this:

This. Despite what the metropolitan 'Islington classes' would have us believe.

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Sadly, most UKIP voters combine being aginst EU with being against foreigners, and end up taring all Eurosceptics with the same brush.


Possibly true, but tarring people and/or parties because some nasty people vote for them seems a bit silly to me? Nasty people vote for all parties - and besides, being nasty doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong about something.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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Although it is worth stressing that there's nothing xenophobic about being against the European Union and how it is structured etc.

Absolutely not, even Nick Clegg who is the most pro-European of the senior politicians


:roll:

'Pro-Europe' = bends over and takes whatever crap thrown at us without resistance, even when demonstrably not in UK's interest. Not just pathetic and weak, but actually a dereliction of duty IMO.

No wonder why the LDs are polling a derisory 8% of the vote in forthcoming Euro election opinion polls. Eight percent, as compared to UKIP's 30% or more. Looks like they're going to win - democracy has a habit of exposing inconvenient, home truths?

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As should be obvious, threatening to leave - when you're a net contributor and key European economy - will make people far more amenable to doing what you want (and gain respect), than supine weakness ever will. See above.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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Although it is worth stressing that there's nothing xenophobic about being against the European Union and how it is structured etc.

Absolutely not, even Nick Clegg who is the most pro-European of the senior politicians


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'Pro-Europe' = bends over and takes whatever crap thrown at us without resistance, even when demonstrably not in UK's interest. Not just pathetic and weak, but actually a dereliction of duty IMO.

No wonder why the LDs are polling a derisory 8% of the vote in forthcoming Euro election opinion polls. Eight percent, as compared to UKIP's 30% or more. Looks like they're going to win - democracy has a habit of exposing inconvenient, home truths?

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However, how can you change it by leaving it?


As should be obvious, threatening to leave - when you're a net contributor and key European economy - will make people far more amenable to doing what you want (and gain respect), than supine weakness ever will. See above.


Aye, but Farage has all those seats in Europe and never fucking does anything other than play footsie with the proper far right nutters such as ones who condone mass murder.

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 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage
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Don't really know what else to say; I'd have a pint with him but would never vote for his party?


I was reminding someone just earlier that you can agree with a person on one particular point without it meaning you implicitly agree with everything else they say about everything.

It's not even that hard to comprehend, but judgemental types are seemingly incapable of not conflating that important distinction with complete and absolute endorsement of everything that person has ever said or done.

I don't think I'd vote for UKIP, but I think their existence has served to force the rest of UK politics to give this whole EU project a closer look. Not a bad thing at all.

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True, but also feeding largely misinformation about it doesn't help matters.

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Although it is worth stressing that there's nothing xenophobic about being against the European Union and how it is structured etc. Sadly, most UKIP voters combine being aginst EU with being against foreigners, and end up taring all Eurosceptics with the same brush.

UKIP has two main ideological 'planks' - the first plank being nationalist opposition to the EU based on them Foreigns all being foreigners and speaking foreign (it's no coincidence that UKIP sit in the far-right EFD group in the European parliament with explicitly nationalist and racist parties), the second blank being 19th century style economic liberalism, with most of their social/economic policies being a more extreme version of Thatcherism than the modern day Tory leadership would openly advocate. The first element gets all the media attention, the second… Much less so, for whatever reason. The second plank is actually a far more important factor in the UKIP's anti-EU campaign than most people realise - the EU provides social, economic and environmental protection that the likes of UKIP would like to see eradicated in pursuit of an American style economy and society.


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