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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:28 
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I'm not really bothered by it, I have to say. It's just a pun.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:30 
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It's a really, really weird choice of phrasing, even for a shoehorned headline pun obsessed rag like the Sun.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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It's a pun, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. Continued right wing press demonisation of people (usually immigrants, LGBTQ, PoC, etc) and aggressive rhetoric clearly plays a part in the way the national consciousness is formed.

In and of itself it's not the worst thing ever (though tasteless), but as a constant stream, it's (IMO) extremely detrimental to the country.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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It might just be me, but I really don't see what Curio's getting at - IMO he's reading far too much complexity into what is, at the end of the day, just some pithy red-top headline fodder about Labour being screwed by this.

I could be wrong of course - if the last couple of years have taught us anything, it's never to trust the polls nor take anything for granted 6 weeks outside an election date (a week is a long time in politics indeed). But, heck, Corbyn and his parliamentary acolytes are simply *so* far removed from anything remotely 'electable', as according to any British electorate that I've seen in my 50-odd years, it seems inconceivable that we'll be looking at anything else than the utter (and final) decimation of Labour as specifically due to Corbyn's election as their leader, as I have long predicted.

The right wing, Brexit-leaning press are going to have an absolute *field day*.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I think it is a mixture of a sensitivity over the use of the word 'murder' due to the events in Birstall, and it being the Sun.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Well, I am no admirer of journalists/the gutter press, as long stated, but in my opinion I seriously doubt this was specifically intended. IMO, they are simply gleefully jumping on Labour's self-inflicted demise.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Well, I am no admirer of journalists/the gutter press, as long stated, but in my opinion I seriously doubt this was specifically intended. IMO, they are simply gleefully jumping on Labour's self-inflicted demise.


I think you are quite correct.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Why thank you Mali. A busted wall clock is right twice a day. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Anyone got any thoughts on the outcome here?
At this initial stage, I'm thinking 80-100 Con majority at Labour's expense, but with the first glimmerings of an LD reboot as well, from within their SW heartlands, with perhaps 20-odd seats?

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I think it is a mixture of a sensitivity over the use of the word 'murder' due to the events in Birstall, and it being the Sun.


Quite. These are political journalists. In the last major vote, Jo Cox was murdered for her political views. Just because it was done by someone white, and she wasn't as famous as some others, she has quickly been forgotten, and The Sun are happy to go on about the metaphorical murder of her party.

Had a Muslim killed Farage, and the next election The Mirror runs a headline of 'Behead May: Jihad on UKIP and Tories!" I'm pretty sure they'd get run out of business. There's no way they didn't know what they were doing, and they have form for exactly this sort of shit.

I just think it's low, unnecessary, and shows what a bunch of complete shits they are.

As for a prediction, I don't think that it will be quite the landslide currently being predicted. Despite the best efforts of the newspapers, May looked very weak in her interview and couldn't give a single reason why she completely turned on her heel and went for a snap election other than completely self-serving poll results. She seriously tried to argue that the Lib Dems would try to ruin Brexit in Parliament. They have <10 MPs! They can't do shit! Labour are a fucking shambles and voted for everything you put forward!

Anyway, if there was a competent opposition they might try to run this, her refusal to debate (and lack of any clarity on any policies apart from Grammar Schools which are the most important thing in the world), and her failure as Home Sec as decent attacks, and might have a chance of causing an upset. Unfortunately, no such opposition exists.

I think Con will take some Lab seats, LDs will take some Cons, Lab will hang on to more than expected, by the skin of their teeth, and May will end up with a healthy but not precipitous majority.

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George Osborne's standing down to spend more time with his other jobs.


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Theresa May confirms MPs under investigation for expenses fraud from the last election will be allowed to stand: https://twitter.com/daily_politics/stat ... 0173020161


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I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result. Voted against gay marriage and for Brexit. He can fuck off, frankly.


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As a constitutional nerd ('Ask me about the House of Lords Precedence Act 1539') I suppose I should be thrilled that a clause (section 2, 1-2) I didn't expect to be used in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act has now been used. Now we need to try out the other ones so I can complete the set.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Nik wrote:
I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result.


Who've you got?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Nik wrote:
I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result.


Who've you got?



This chap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Blackman_(politician)


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Well, at least he's against smoking.


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Well, at least he's against smoking.


It's a refreshing change from the legions of pro-smoking MPs. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Good to know that our shadow chancellor has a firm grasp on the basics of who pays what amount of tax.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39641222

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Good to know that our shadow chancellor has a firm grasp on the basics of who pays what amount of tax.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39641222


He clearly didn't mean absolute amounts for the first part. Unless he's an idiot. Which he might be. But he doesn't seem THAT stupid.

His point is that whilst the rich pay more taxes, an extra 100 quid to someone earning over £100k is less vital to them than an extra 25 quid to someone on minimum wage. And if lower earners are being HT for way more of their money (in this way) than middle-high earners, that is bad.

I'm not sure that holds, statistically, as income tax changes have tended to benefit the poorest (AFAIK), but it does apply to things like VAT and various incidental taxes. More important are cutting back of in-work benefits (IMO) as that discourages people from work, and not paying living wages.

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Disappointed that Douglas Carswell won't be standing. I was rather looking forward to him and the UKIP candidate split the vote allowing another party to sneak in through the middle.

Giesela Stuart's standing down too. Hey, she got the Leave vote she wanted and now everything's fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Well, this is awkward.

http://uk.isidewith.com/results/3092763049


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Couple regiments of Royal Marines and some Bradley M2s

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Couple regiments of Royal Marines and some Bradley M2s

Why are the Marines using American IFVs?

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Couple regiments of Royal Marines and some Bradley M2s

Why are the Marines using American IFVs?

Plus, what are the Royal Marines doing in Regiments? Have they been taken over by the Army? I'm starting to doubt the veracity of your answer, MaliA!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Hmm.. doesn't really help to clarify things for me...

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