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MaliA wrote:

Green it is, then.

Lib Dem or manually write in Kern for me

Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird?

Cras wrote:

Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird?

How's that?

zaphod79 wrote:

Stu's take on it : https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-end-of-sanity/

Most sensible thing he's written in a long time. I agree with all of it

Not a chance of my constituency going anywhere other than Conservative. As much as I'd like to think a large number of LD votes (as opposed to seats) may influence the EU discussions, I very much doubt that they will.

This may actually be the first election that I don't vote in protest. The argument that people have died so that I can vote, or that others outside democracies envy my ability to vote doesn't hold true here, on the grounds that any protest non-vote is against the nature of the election itself, as opposed to those who are contesting it.

And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

Of the headlines today, that Daily Mail cover is really unpleasant. I know I should ignore crap like that, but stuff like 'game-playing remoaners' and 'unelected lords' really bugs me.

markg wrote:

And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

MrChris wrote:

markg wrote:

And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint"

Grim... wrote:

MrChris wrote:

markg wrote:

And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint"

Don't blame me, blame the US Army's institutional racism.

Not seen much on here about the expenses scandal which could also be a reason for the snap election

https://www.rt.com/uk/385198-tory-expen ... -election/

The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder.

Curiosity wrote:

The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder.

I had a very different take-away when reading the front page in the newsagents - they were saying May was going to murder the Labour party, not asking anyone to.

Well, I am no admirer of journalists/the gutter press, as long stated, but in my opinion I seriously doubt this was specifically intended. IMO, they are simply gleefully jumping on Labour's self-inflicted demise.

I think it is a mixture of a sensitivity over the use of the word 'murder' due to the events in Birstall, and it being the Sun.

I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result.

Nik wrote:

I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result.

Who've you got?

Well, at least he's against smoking.

Author:	Malc [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:00 ]
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It was always going to be between LibDems and Green for me (probably Green), but the reality is that the Conservatives have never lost this seat, although the region did vote to remain, so I'm hoping there is some chink of light... I guess the council elections are going to be seen as a dry run?

Author:	Kern [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:03 ]
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zaphod79 wrote: MaliA wrote: Green it is, then. Lib Dem or manually write in Kern for me Wait....you live in the Shire too?

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:04 ]
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Blimey, Malc! That is one safe seat!

Author:	Kern [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:09 ]
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Liberal Democrat unless the Labour candidate is very very convincing (and doesn't look like my ex as happened last time). This is the Banbury constituency, for reference.

Author:	Cras [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:16 ]
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Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird?

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Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:16 ]
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THE Dickie Bird? From Cricket?

Author:	Cras [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:17 ]
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Oh, apparently not. Dull.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:19 ]
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Not sure that confusion placed him at a disadvantage.

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:22 ]
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Cras wrote: Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird? How's that?

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:26 ]
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Zardoz wrote: Cras wrote: Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird? How's that? Googly down the leg side.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 17:21 ]
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DavPaz wrote: zaphod79 wrote: Stu's take on it : https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-end-of-sanity/ Most sensible thing he's written in a long time. I agree with all of it It's remarkably coherent and well written.

Author:	Cavey [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 17:42 ]
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MaliA wrote: Hi , Cavey! Man, what a day to be busy with work. Looks like Theresa's taken my advice, you read it here first, folks. Shame to waste a Corbyn after all. EDIT: If Stu's saying this is "galactic scale stupid" and/or "the Tories have nothing to gain" [er, apart from perhaps another 100-odd vulnerable seats from an utterly disintegrated, existential crisis-torn Labour Party, as well as an electoral mandate for her premiership and Brexit generally, as under the terms it is now presented, i.e. outwith access to the common market etc.], then I'm even more convinced this is a strategically good move for the Tories? Offhand, I can't think of a more ringing endorsement? Time will tell, huh!

Author:	JBR [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 19:43 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: Not a chance of my constituency going anywhere other than Conservative. As much as I'd like to think a large number of LD votes (as opposed to seats) may influence the EU discussions, I very much doubt that they will. This may actually be the first election that I don't vote in protest. The argument that people have died so that I can vote, or that others outside democracies envy my ability to vote doesn't hold true here, on the grounds that any protest non-vote is against the nature of the election itself, as opposed to those who are contesting it. I like the reasoning. This might be my last election in the country, depending on how things go - I don't think I'll leave for good, but if I am based overseas some time soonish, as I currently want to be, I can't imagine I'd try too hard to combine visits with elections. A protest vote of some kind seems to fit well. On the voting/not voting specifically, Finnemore's got you covered (1:55, radio clip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPNHguA3CWc.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:35 ]
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Just listened to the interview with the Prime Minister on Radio 4. It was frustrating and I don't think she was enjoying trying to explain her U-turn on not holding an election. I'm also getting tired by her projection about what Leave voters wanted (sorry, I meant, 'the country), and her continual use of empty generic phrases such as 'the best deal'. Nick Robinson did take her up on that last point, but she didn't develop it. John McDonnell from Labour an hour earlier was just as frustrating, but for different reasons. Labour are probably going to go for a standard schools-and-hospitals approach to shore up their base, but unless they can pin attacks on her, I doubt it's going to work.

Author:	Curiosity [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:32 ]
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It's a pun, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. Continued right wing press demonisation of people (usually immigrants, LGBTQ, PoC, etc) and aggressive rhetoric clearly plays a part in the way the national consciousness is formed. In and of itself it's not the worst thing ever (though tasteless), but as a constant stream, it's (IMO) extremely detrimental to the country.

Author:	Mr Russell [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:52 ]
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Author:	markg [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:56 ]
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And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:58 ]
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markg wrote: And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle! That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

Author:	devilman [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:00 ]
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Of the headlines today, that Daily Mail cover is really unpleasant. I know I should ignore crap like that, but stuff like 'game-playing remoaners' and 'unelected lords' really bugs me. I was at my parents briefly yesterday and they had the news on with May doing her announcement. My parents don't follow politics and vote labour every time without fail, but Mum said she thought May was good, which surprised me. No idea what she's basing that on, as she won't have read anything about her, so maybe she just likes her press conferences.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:07 ]
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devilman wrote: Of the headlines today, that Daily Mail cover is really unpleasant. I know I should ignore crap like that, but stuff like 'game-playing remoaners' and 'unelected lords' really bugs me. Agree. It makes me sick and angry. I sometimes reassure myself by thinking that if they have to resort to name-calling and conspiracy theories it means they know their case is weak, but noble thoughts aren't a match for basically screaming that a large proportion of the public are traitors. Besides, I think Southern Rail are doing a perfectly fine job of sabotaging services without outside help. Arf.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:23 ]
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MrChris wrote: markg wrote: And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle! That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark. Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint"

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:41 ]
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Grim... wrote: MrChris wrote: markg wrote: And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle! That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark. Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint" Don't blame me, blame the US Army's institutional racism.

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:42 ]
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MrChris wrote: Grim... wrote: MrChris wrote: markg wrote: And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle! That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark. Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint" Don't blame me, blame the US Army's institutional racism. I think armies are meant to kill forrins

Author:	DavPaz [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:05 ]
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A national newspaper using a slur like "remoaners” on their front page makes me feel ill, even if it is only the Mail

Author:	Curiosity [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:20 ]
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The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder. Given that the last time there was a vote in this country, a Labour MP was murdered for her views, this is in really poor taste. There's no way they didn't do it intentionally.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:27 ]
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Not seen much on here about the expenses scandal which could also be a reason for the snap election https://www.rt.com/uk/385198-tory-expen ... -election/

Author:	DavPaz [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:28 ]
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@curio It's better to apologize, than to ask permission. As an defacto Scouser, I wouldn't wipe my arse with the S*n

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:29 ]
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Ohhh, russia today!

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:32 ]
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zaphod79 wrote: Not seen much on here about the expenses scandal which could also be a reason for the snap election https://www.rt.com/uk/385198-tory-expen ... -election/ I was assuming that was a large factor - it will be proved so if the MPs in those constituencies are replaced for this election with new candidates.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:35 ]
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Curiosity wrote: The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder. I had a very different take-away when reading the front page in the newsagents - they were saying May was going to murder the Labour party, not asking anyone to.

Author:	Curiosity [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:02 ]
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Grim... wrote: Curiosity wrote: The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder. I had a very different take-away when reading the front page in the newsagents - they were saying May was going to murder the Labour party, not asking anyone to. Well, it's asking the electorate, isn't it? She can't just declare herself the winner. I'm not saying that The Sun is actually calling for people to commit murder, but they clearly know what has happened in the past and are happy to exploit it. Can you imagine their righteous fury if we, say, played a Muslim-majority country at sports following a terror attack and their fans or national press were calling for a sporting Jihad on us, to metaphorically blow up the infidels? They'd shit themselves and say it was evil, but in this case it was just a white nationalist terrorist killing an 'enemy of the people' so it's okay and we can joke about it and actively foment a national consciousness where this occurs.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:28 ]
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Here it is, for those without a handy newsagents. I'm not really bothered by it, I have to say. It's just a pun.

Author:	DavPaz [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:29 ]
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That picture makes her looks halfway towards the puppet from The Saw movies.

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:30 ]
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It's a really, really weird choice of phrasing, even for a shoehorned headline pun obsessed rag like the Sun.

Author:	Cavey [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:37 ]
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It might just be me, but I really don't see what Curio's getting at - IMO he's reading far too much complexity into what is, at the end of the day, just some pithy red-top headline fodder about Labour being screwed by this. I could be wrong of course - if the last couple of years have taught us anything, it's never to trust the polls nor take anything for granted 6 weeks outside an election date (a week is a long time in politics indeed). But, heck, Corbyn and his parliamentary acolytes are simply so far removed from anything remotely 'electable', as according to any British electorate that I've seen in my 50-odd years, it seems inconceivable that we'll be looking at anything else than the utter (and final) decimation of Labour as specifically due to Corbyn's election as their leader, as I have long predicted. The right wing, Brexit-leaning press are going to have an absolute field day.