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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:00 
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It was always going to be between LibDems and Green for me (probably Green), but the reality is that the Conservatives have never lost this seat, although the region did vote to remain, so I'm hoping there is some chink of light...

I guess the council elections are going to be seen as a dry run?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:03 
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Green it is, then.


Lib Dem or manually write in Kern for me


Wait....you live in the Shire too?


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Blimey, Malc! That is one safe seat!

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Liberal Democrat unless the Labour candidate is very very convincing (and doesn't look like my ex as happened last time).

This is the Banbury constituency, for reference.


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Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird?

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THE Dickie Bird? From Cricket?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Oh, apparently not. Dull.

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Not sure that confusion placed him at a disadvantage.


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Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird?

How's that?

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Wait - Umpire Dickie Bird?

How's that?

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Most sensible thing he's written in a long time. I agree with all of it


It's remarkably coherent and well written.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Man, what a day to be busy with work.
Looks like Theresa's taken my advice, you read it here first, folks. Shame to waste a Corbyn after all. :D

EDIT: If Stu's saying this is "galactic scale stupid" and/or "the Tories have nothing to gain" [er, apart from perhaps another 100-odd vulnerable seats from an utterly disintegrated, existential crisis-torn Labour Party, as well as an electoral mandate for her premiership and Brexit generally, as under the terms it is now presented, i.e. outwith access to the common market etc.], then I'm even more convinced this is a strategically good move for the Tories? Offhand, I can't think of a more ringing endorsement?

Time will tell, huh! :)

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Not a chance of my constituency going anywhere other than Conservative. As much as I'd like to think a large number of LD votes (as opposed to seats) may influence the EU discussions, I very much doubt that they will.

This may actually be the first election that I don't vote in protest. The argument that people have died so that I can vote, or that others outside democracies envy my ability to vote doesn't hold true here, on the grounds that any protest non-vote is against the nature of the election itself, as opposed to those who are contesting it.


I like the reasoning. This might be my last election in the country, depending on how things go - I don't think I'll leave for good, but if I am based overseas some time soonish, as I currently want to be, I can't imagine I'd try too hard to combine visits with elections. A protest vote of some kind seems to fit well.

On the voting/not voting specifically, Finnemore's got you covered (1:55, radio clip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPNHguA3CWc.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Just listened to the interview with the Prime Minister on Radio 4. It was frustrating and I don't think she was enjoying trying to explain her U-turn on not holding an election. I'm also getting tired by her projection about what Leave voters wanted (sorry, I meant, 'the country), and her continual use of empty generic phrases such as 'the best deal'. Nick Robinson did take her up on that last point, but she didn't develop it.

John McDonnell from Labour an hour earlier was just as frustrating, but for different reasons. Labour are probably going to go for a standard schools-and-hospitals approach to shore up their base, but unless they can pin attacks on her, I doubt it's going to work.


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And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

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Of the headlines today, that Daily Mail cover is really unpleasant. I know I should ignore crap like that, but stuff like 'game-playing remoaners' and 'unelected lords' really bugs me.

I was at my parents briefly yesterday and they had the news on with May doing her announcement. My parents don't follow politics and vote labour every time without fail, but Mum said she thought May was good, which surprised me. No idea what she's basing that on, as she won't have read anything about her, so maybe she just likes her press conferences.

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Of the headlines today, that Daily Mail cover is really unpleasant. I know I should ignore crap like that, but stuff like 'game-playing remoaners' and 'unelected lords' really bugs me.


Agree. It makes me sick and angry. I sometimes reassure myself by thinking that if they have to resort to name-calling and conspiracy theories it means they know their case is weak, but noble thoughts aren't a match for basically screaming that a large proportion of the public are traitors. Besides, I think Southern Rail are doing a perfectly fine job of sabotaging services without outside help. Arf.


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And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint" ;)

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And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint" ;)

Don't blame me, blame the US Army's institutional racism.

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And if my auntie had a cock she'd be my uncle!

That's a bit reductively gender normative, Mark.

Says Mr "Doesn't Even Own Non-white Army Person Paint" ;)

Don't blame me, blame the US Army's institutional racism.


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A national newspaper using a slur like "remoaners” on their front page makes me feel ill, even if it is only the Mail


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The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder.

Given that the last time there was a vote in this country, a Labour MP was murdered for her views, this is in really poor taste. There's no way they didn't do it intentionally.

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Not seen much on here about the expenses scandal which could also be a reason for the snap election

https://www.rt.com/uk/385198-tory-expen ... -election/

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Not seen much on here about the expenses scandal which could also be a reason for the snap election

https://www.rt.com/uk/385198-tory-expen ... -election/

I was assuming that was a large factor - it will be proved so if the MPs in those constituencies are replaced for this election with new candidates.

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The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder.

I had a very different take-away when reading the front page in the newsagents - they were saying May was going to murder the Labour party, not asking anyone to.

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The Sun one is worse, calling for the death of Labour and going with the headline Blue Murder.

I had a very different take-away when reading the front page in the newsagents - they were saying May was going to murder the Labour party, not asking anyone to.


Well, it's asking the electorate, isn't it? She can't just declare herself the winner.

I'm not saying that The Sun is actually calling for people to commit murder, but they clearly know what has happened in the past and are happy to exploit it. Can you imagine their righteous fury if we, say, played a Muslim-majority country at sports following a terror attack and their fans or national press were calling for a sporting Jihad on us, to metaphorically blow up the infidels? They'd shit themselves and say it was evil, but in this case it was just a white nationalist terrorist killing an 'enemy of the people' so it's okay and we can joke about it and actively foment a national consciousness where this occurs.

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