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I reckon she'll call a general election soon. She would be insane to waste an opposition as fucking shambolic as the Labour Party.

Get ready for fifteen years of a Tory government.

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I might have about a days salary in savings. I'd be screwed if I missed more than a month of salary ( and would probably reallt struggle if missed just one )


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We've got a cash buffer of about 75% of one month's income (which is my wage + DLA + Carer's Allowance), but even that's a fairly recent development. Beyond that we'd be living on credit.

I can't ever imagine getting to the three month stage. Indeed, for the longest time we were basically skint at the end of every month, and bills would have to wait for payday to arrive.


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We don't have a mortgage (yet), but when we've been researching it seems that they can allow you overpayments to build up a cash reserve so that you can underpay in future (up to the value of the overpayments).

So it would seem sensible to put all your 'buffer' cash into the mortgage and then 'withdraw' it if you needed it.

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Consumer inflation up 27% in Feb from Jan.

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Consumer inflation up 27% in Feb from Jan.


CPI at 2.3% (as compared to 1.9% in January), as according to the ONS. :)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices

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Consumer inflation up 27% in Feb from Jan.


CPI at 2.3% (as compared to 1.9% in January), as according to the ONS. :)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices


Yes, 27%

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I make that a rise of 21%? Am I doing my maths wrong?


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I make that a rise of 21%? Am I doing my maths wrong?


No, you're not.
I was trying to be delicate about it; not something I'm very good at. :D

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I make that a rise of 21%? Am I doing my maths wrong?


No, you're not.
I was trying to be delicate about it; not something I'm very good at. :D

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Labour's civil war has erupted in furious clashes at a "brutal" meeting between leader Jeremy Corbyn and the party's MPs and peers.

As the Westminster meeting ended in a shouting match, angry Labour MPs rounded on Mr Corbyn, with one MP, ex-minister Ian Austin, telling him to "look in the mirror".

Corbyn ally, shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, was heard shouting at another critic of the Labour boss, Wes Streeting, after he said the party was being "driven off a cliff".

Ex-minister Pat McFadden then told Mr Corbyn: "Our uselessness is emboldening the nationalist right wherever it exists."

And the former chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP), Lord Watts, told Mr Corbyn's spin doctor Seumas Milne to his face that he was "a disgrace".


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The gift that keeps on giving (unlimited political power to the right wing).

Christ on a bike, I don't even think you thought they would be this bad, Cavey!

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The gift that keeps on giving (unlimited political power to the right wing).

Christ on a bike, I don't even think you thought they would be this bad, Cavey!


To be fair - I did! Honestly! :)
I predicted terminal schism and chaos - and that's what's we got...

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It's not like the left have a long and noble history of infighting and squabbling over inconsequential bollocks;

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There does seem to be a lot more buyer's remorse appearing for those people that voted for Corbyn though. Those that refuse to countenance any faults in their great leader appear to be entrenching themselves even further to the point where they may as well just call themselves SPLITTERS.

This is my favourite exchange of recent times though, likened on Twitter to an Anime film, a badly dubbed Kung Fu film or terrible game cutscene dialogue.

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.... So it's not so much a matter as to see who blinks first, Trousers, more a case of who can achieve the greatest contra-rotational eyeball angular velocities? :DD

Pass the Butterkist....

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Beyond that, even - how many people have the '3 months salary for a rainy day' that is such standard financial advice I read it multiple times a year?

Christ, not me.

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Beyond that, even - how many people have the '3 months salary for a rainy day' that is such standard financial advice I read it multiple times a year?

Christ, not me.

:this:

I do, but only because the wifes granddad died 3 years ago while I was having a particularly bad time at work, and so we carved out an amount of the inheritance into a pot which is known as the "For when he loses freaking mind" account.


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We lived hand-to-mouth until relatively recently, and even now I pretty much blow everything on really stupid stuff.
I have the financial planning skills of a 10 year old in a sweetshop.

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We lived hand-to-mouth until relatively recently, and even now I pretty much blow everything on really stupid stuff.
I have the financial planning skills of a 10 year old in a sweetshop.


My 11 year old daughter has more savings than me.

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Beyond that, even - how many people have the '3 months salary for a rainy day' that is such standard financial advice I read it multiple times a year? An awful lot of people would be in huge trouble if they didn't get paid one month.


When my wife worked she always saved and made me do it, as such we have around 18 months salary in savings. Some of that is her pay off from work though.

If I was laid of at work I could probably get another 3 years pay in enhanced payoff and cashing in shares I have.

We have a fair sized mortgage and to clear that would eat most of the money.

Month to month I'm like most people, salary is mostly gone on bills 2 weeks after I'm paid.


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"For when he loses freaking mind" account.

:D
If you get a pay rise do you have to add more money to the account?

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"For when he loses freaking mind" account.

:D
If you get a pay rise do you have to add more money to the account?

Technically yes. However for 'reasons' my monthly cash income hasn't changed in four years, so I'm still only hedging the cashflow.

If I do really lose my freaking mind, I'm insured to fuck through the firm after 3 months anyways.


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I basically give all my money to MrsZ and ask if it's alright to get stuff when I need it.

We've done alright with this system so far.

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I basically give all my money to MrsZ and ask if it's alright to get stuff when I need it.

We've done alright with this system so far.

Ditto. I never even look at the bank balance - for all I know she's squirrelled all the money away into an escape fund to use with the tennis coach.

Assuming she's honest, she's chucked most of it at the mortgage, and we're putting this year's bonus into savings, so after that we'll have around 6 months' worth of cash for a rainy day.

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6 MONTHS!!!!

GET YOURSELF A QUADCOPTER YOU DUMMKOPF!

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6 MONTHS!!!!

GET YOURSELF A QUADCOPTER YOU DUMMKOPF!

It's mrs K's money.

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If I handed Mrs C all my money, I'd be bankrupt and on my 6th new fitted kitchen in 3 years.

Fortunately we have someone sensible (your humble narrator) at the Caveman financial helm; I spend our money only on essentials, such as GT4s, monster trucks, motorbikes, unfeasibly large fireworks and vintage champagne. (And Werthers butterscotch, Z :D )

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GET YOURSELF A QUADCOPTER YOU DUMMKOPF!

It's mrs K's money.

It's a need!

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London: now slightly less unaffordable.

This is the kind of good Brexit news the BBC have been suppressing.


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I won't bore you with my finances, but taking a year off taught me to live on less, and that has stuck so far. Thanks to gorgeous George threatening to take away pension tax breaks, I now whack extra into the pension, pay little income tax (sorry, NHS) and the bit of my salary I do get just tops up the cash I live off. I am an aberration.


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It's not like the left have a long and noble history of infighting and squabbling over inconsequential bollocks;

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There does seem to be a lot more buyer's remorse appearing for those people that voted for Corbyn though. Those that refuse to countenance any faults in their great leader appear to be entrenching themselves even further to the point where they may as well just call themselves SPLITTERS.

This is my favourite exchange of recent times though, likened on Twitter to an Anime film, a badly dubbed Kung Fu film or terrible game cutscene dialogue.

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Anyone who supported Corbyn was either terminally naive, or a far-left entryist. It was very obvious from his history what sort of 'causes' and beliefs that Corbyn supported. (And from a pragmatic point of view, were the PLP ever likely to have been happy about being lead by a man like Corbyn?)


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I think Corbyn's political goals are far less alienating than his complete and utter incompetence. I'd be able to vote for someone on a leftist platform, but only if they proved themselves capable at running things.

Corbyn is to the left of me (though he's not some raging insanity / his politics would be considered normal in, say, Norway), but I couldn't vote for him simply because he's completely useless at running his party.

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I think Corbyn's political goals are far less alienating than his complete and utter incompetence. I'd be able to vote for someone on a leftist platform, but only if they proved themselves capable at running things.

Corbyn is to the left of me (though he's not some raging insanity / his politics would be considered normal in, say, Norway), but I couldn't vote for him simply because he's completely useless at running his party.

Well, Corbyn wouldn't be in the Labour Party in Norway; he'd be in the Socialist Left Party or something else. ;) I wouldn't assume that the Nordic/Scandinavian Labour parties are all that left-wing. In fact, they're more New Labourish than you think, and are experiencing similar issues and problems in terms of declining popularity.

The domestic policies of Corbyn aren't too extreme, if fact they're pretty unexciting. Basically Milibandish stuff with more spending. That's even when or if you can find any policies. It's the lack of ideas or innovation that is shocking.

The non-domestic stuff – well, leaving the EU has always been a goal of the British far-left, and Corbyn has certainly delivered that to them...


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I won't bore you with my finances, but taking a year off taught me to live on less, and that has stuck so far. Thanks to gorgeous George threatening to take away pension tax breaks, I now whack extra into the pension, pay little income tax (sorry, NHS) and the bit of my salary I do get just tops up the cash I live off. I am an aberration.


Maternity leave taught me to live off pennies. Meeting Gaz taught me how to spend money I don't have. Now have to find a sensible middle ground :DD

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There's a reason why "You'll never defeat me Anakin! I hold the sensible middle ground!" isn't a famous Star Wars prequels quote.

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There's a reason why "You'll never defeat me Anakin! I hold the sensible middle ground!" isn't a famous Star Wars prequels quote.

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Labour will vote against any final Brexit deal unless it delivers the “exact same benefits” as the UK enjoys currently within the European Union, Jeremy Corbyn says.

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What a great idea to come out and announce such a plan not long after your party voted against an amendment that would mean you legally get a vote on the deal - considering all they have right now is a "promise". Let's see how that works out for them.


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I reckon Sir Keir Stamner and others (eg Hilary Benn, Sadiq Khan) are starting to realise that if/once (delete according to pessimistic taste) Brexit turns the economy sour, Labour need to be in a position to disassociate themselves from it all and take the initiative, but are currently being held back by the leadership.


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