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Author:  markg [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 15:24 ]
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And started doing jingoistic WWII docos.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:00 ]
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Lords defeat for the government; the upper House passed (by 358 to 256) an amendment to the A50 bill protecting the rights of EU citizens living in the UK.

Author:  asfish [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:05 ]
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Quote:
Lords defeat for the government; the upper House passed (by 358 to 256) an amendment to the A50 bill protecting the rights of EU citizens living in the UK.


This needed to be sorted out, but don't see very much on protecting the rights of UK citizens living in the EU?

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:05 ]
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asfish wrote:
This needed to be sorted out, but don't see very much on protecting the rights of UK citizens living in the EU?

How can the UK make law about that? Think about it.

Author:  asfish [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:26 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
asfish wrote:
This needed to be sorted out, but don't see very much on protecting the rights of UK citizens living in the EU?

How can the UK make law about that? Think about it.


Of course we can't, but maybe its better to be able to hold the protection of EU Citizens as a bargaining chip in the Article 50 negotiations to get the same deal for UK people in the EU, rather than playing the card before we start?

Author:  Cras [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:28 ]
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asfish wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
asfish wrote:
This needed to be sorted out, but don't see very much on protecting the rights of UK citizens living in the EU?

How can the UK make law about that? Think about it.


Of course we can't, but maybe its better to be able to hold the protection of EU Citizens as a bargaining chip in the Article 50 negotiations to get the same deal for UK people in the EU, rather than playing the card before we start?


The rest of the EU aren't morons trying to kick out their immigrant population.

Author:  asfish [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:30 ]
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Cras wrote:
asfish wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
asfish wrote:
This needed to be sorted out, but don't see very much on protecting the rights of UK citizens living in the EU?

How can the UK make law about that? Think about it.


Of course we can't, but maybe its better to be able to hold the protection of EU Citizens as a bargaining chip in the Article 50 negotiations to get the same deal for UK people in the EU, rather than playing the card before we start?


The rest of the EU aren't morons trying to kick out their immigrant population.


Are the UK? I thought that reducing numbers going forward was a key focus, but not aware we the UK was going to boot people out after we leave the EU?

Author:  myp [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:31 ]
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Using people's lives and livelihoods as bargaining chips. Lovely.

Author:  asfish [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:35 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Using people's lives and livelihoods as bargaining chips. Lovely.


All I mean is that we request the same stability for all the EU citizens, including all the UK ones who live in the EU

Not saying we start swapping peoples right to live in the UK for better trade deals etc

Author:  Cras [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 20:42 ]
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asfish wrote:
reducing numbers going forward was a key focus, but not aware we the UK was going to boot people out after we leave the EU?


Reducing numbers in itself is moronic. We are a low birth rate nation with a huge and expensive elderly population. We desperately need immigration.

Just last week we brought in the minimum spouse wage rule and started booting people out as a result.

Author:  Kern [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:34 ]
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A warm and cosy Bercow yesterday, during Church Commissioner's Questions:

Quote:
I hope the Hansard text of the right hon. Lady’s reply to the hon. Gentleman will be posted on the church door. That would seem only fitting.


Also, a line from him just saying 'splendid' later on is very pleasing.

Author:  Kern [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:42 ]
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There were some nice tributes to the late Gerald Kaufman during the weekly House business debate yesterday, including this gem:

Jeff Smith wrote:
Residents often told me how they had written ​to Sir Gerald and received a hand-written reply. Sometimes, the replies would reflect his sharp tongue; a particular favourite of mine was:

“I agree with your concerns on this issue. Unfortunately there’s no point in me writing to the chancellor because he’s useless and won’t listen to me.”

Author:  myp [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:24 ]
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Theresa May is awful. She's making a speech to the Scottish Conservatives putting forward the case for Scotland staying in the UK. Pretty much all of her arguments could be translated for the UK to stay in the EU.

Author:  Cavey [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:42 ]
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Well, yes, but she did vote to Remain, right?

Of more interest, I feel, is that the self-same arguments the SNP use for staying in the EU can largely be equally used for staying in the UK.

Author:  myp [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:45 ]
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A UK within the EU, agreed. Which is why they voted to stay in the UK in 2014.

Author:  Cavey [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 15:19 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
A UK within the EU, agreed. Which is why they voted to stay in the UK in 2014.


https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/837630957146550272




And if you have more time

https://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/ ... right.html

This guy spends much of his time busting Nat nonsense, propaganda and memes. He's got more patience and gumption in his little finger than I will ever possess in my whole body, that's for sure. I wouldn't make it through a single day of the crap he endures.

Author:  myp [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 15:23 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
A UK within the EU, agreed. Which is why they voted to stay in the UK in 2014.


https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/837630957146550272




And if you have more time

https://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/ ... right.html

This guy spends much of his time busting Nat nonsense, propaganda and memes. He's got more patience and gumption is is little finger than I will ever possess, that's for sure.

I can't see any of his memes on that site. :(

Author:  Cavey [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 15:25 ]
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Nat's memes..? Trust me, he's full of 'em. ;)

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:29 ]
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Imagine if you uncovered a Watergate-sized phone tapping scandal but you have such a short attention span that thirty minutes later you were tweeting about a TV show.

Author:  Cavey [ Sun Mar 05, 2017 13:03 ]
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I literally just do not know where to start with Trump; he makes Corbyn look like Father of the Nation material. ?:Stack Overflow:

Author:  Curiosity [ Sun Mar 05, 2017 14:27 ]
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Cavey wrote:
I literally just do not know where to start with Trump; he makes Corbyn look like Father of the Nation material. ?:Stack Overflow:


Maybe Corbyn is looking at him and thinking, "Well, I guess if they think he's qualified then I am too".

Author:  MaliA [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 14:43 ]
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#block-58bd310be4b047c20d905db8" class="postlink">"Almost half of Labour members think Corbyn is doing badly as leader"

Ouch.

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 15:05 ]
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MaliA wrote:
#block-58bd310be4b047c20d905db8" class="postlink">"Almost half of Labour members think Corbyn is doing badly as leader"

Ouch.


Yes, but consider this Mali: more than half of them think he *isn't* doing badly as leader.
:blown:

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 15:11 ]
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Not necessarily. Some of them might not think anything at all.

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 15:12 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Not necessarily. Some of them might not think anything at all.


Ain't that the truth.

Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 15:47 ]
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I can see how if you disregard the media and polls and that, how you could believe he was doing a good job, much like how Trump supporters who read Breitbart don't even know Trump has had any scandals.

I can't see how there was still a decent chunk saying he was 'very likely' to win the next election!

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:02 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
I can see how if you disregard the media and polls and that, how you could believe he was doing a good job, much like how Trump supporters who read Breitbart don't even know Trump has had any scandals.


Even entirely disregarding the media and polls (which you know, are pretty big things to disregard for would-be prime ministers and politicians), on what possible criteria could he be judged to be "doing a good job"...? His party is self-destructing, his MPs have mutinied, he's failed a vote of no-confidence and he can't even fill his Shadow cabinet; his position on things like Brexit is a joke. As for policies - and a whole bunch of stuff re Israel/Middle East/N. Ireland etc., I'm not even going to go there.

Fundamentally, there's a reason why Labour's support is utterly *tanking*, and it isn't all down to Teh Evils Right Wing Press.

By any sane, rational measure, he's very, very far from "doing a good job".

Author:  Cras [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:10 ]
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Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:12 ]
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Cras wrote:
Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.


Very, very true.

Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:14 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Cras wrote:
Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.


Very, very true.


Exactly.

They see him as standing up to the bad guys and that he's fighting the good fight against Teh Evils. It requires a fairly hefty dose of self-delusion.

Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:14 ]
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Cras wrote:
Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.

Interestingly I cancelled my Labour membership due to Corbyn's waving through of the govt's unamended Brexit bill. I think I'm going to stay out of party politics for a while as none of them seem to represent me at the moment.

Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:15 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Cras wrote:
Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.


Very, very true.

:DD

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:22 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Cras wrote:
Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.


Very, very true.

:DD


Heh. Laugh away, Myp, but I feel perfectly comfortable with my critical faculties and ability to be fair-minded and halfway objective at least - unlike some I could mention!

I know you were a fan IIRC, but Corbyn is an utter chump - far worse than even *I* thought he was going to be (bearing in mind I predicted he'd tear his party apart, so that's saying something). So, call a spade a spade.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:24 ]
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this is amazing

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:25 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
this is amazing


Oh please. Just don't.

Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:31 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Cras wrote:
Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.


Very, very true.

:DD


Heh. Laugh away, Myp

Oh I will, don't worry. ;)

Cavey wrote:
I feel perfectly comfortable with my critical faculties and ability to be fair-minded and halfway objective at least

If you say so. :D

Cavey wrote:
I know you were a fan IIRC, but Corbyn is an utter chump - far worse than even *I* thought he was going to be (bearing in mind I predicted he'd tear his party apart, so that's saying something). So, call a spade a spade.

I was a "fan" only in the way that his aims and ideals matched a lot of what I also believed. It's now obvious that he won't be able to deliver on anything he promises and he has proved to be a complete shambles of a leader. I am not happy saying this as I hoped he would have been much better, but I am not too proud to admit he is not the answer to the country's problems (not that May or the Tories are either, at all).

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:36 ]
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Right, so as per usual, you and Gaywood turn the discussion into another bitter snark-fest about me personally, wow how original, how relevant. :insincere:

Got anything to say about what we're discussing here, instead of either me somehow failing your oh-so-high standards, and/or just trolling?

Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:44 ]
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I'm not snarking bitterly, I'm genuinely laughing at how high over your head the point of Cras's post sailed. Carry on!

Author:  Kern [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:50 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
I think I'm going to stay out of party politics for a while as none of them seem to represent me at the moment.


If I didn't think keeping up to date with current events and trends was an important civic duty I'd probably spend the next few years avoiding it all and concentrating on good things. It's all rather depressing at the moment, and I feel in a similar way about the lack of representation.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:50 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Got anything to say about what we're discussing here, instead of either me somehow failing your oh-so-high standards and/or trolling?

nah you're alright

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 16:56 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
I'm not snarking bitterly, I'm genuinely laughing at how high over your head the point of Cras's post sailed. Carry on!


Right, so you're not snarking or anything, you're just snarking about something someone else posted supposedly going well over *my* head. Righto.

Author:  MaliA [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:00 ]
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Cavey wrote:
MaliA wrote:
#block-58bd310be4b047c20d905db8" class="postlink">"Almost half of Labour members think Corbyn is doing badly as leader"

Ouch.


Yes, but consider this Mali: more than half of them think he *isn't* doing badly as leader.
:blown:


What is your view on the latest American Import: Publishing your tax return?

I find it well dull, and won't only taxable stuff be on there?

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:00 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Got anything to say about what we're discussing here, instead of either me somehow failing your oh-so-high standards and/or trolling?

nah you're alright


I don't doubt it. Still waiting for a response to my detailed, courteous answer to YOUR query re Cookie's post a few pages back, about the soaring FTSE250 and Sterling-Euro being about the same as it was for the whole of 2013 and 2014, and much of 2015. But of course, you're not actually interested in answers, are you Gaywood? Your only concern is whether or not you can snark, troll or bait - or score some petty, disingenuous point or other.

How rude. Irrespective of whether I like someone or not, if I go out of my way to ask them something and they post a genuine response to *my* query, I at least have the courtesy to respond.

So, next time, don't bother eh?

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:02 ]
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MaliA wrote:
What is your view on the latest American Import: Publishing your tax return?

I find it well dull, and won't only taxable stuff be on there?


I don't agree with it generally, but I do agree with publicly shaming any politician who is prosecuted for tax fraud and suchlike.

I see Corbyn/Labour have likely shot themselves in the foot over this, their latest botched stunt?

Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:03 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
I'm not snarking bitterly, I'm genuinely laughing at how high over your head the point of Cras's post sailed. Carry on!


Right, so you're not snarking or anything, you're just snarking about something someone else posted supposedly going well over *my* head.

I'm not snarking at all, it's genuinely funny! You're perhaps being a touch oversensitive.

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:05 ]
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:roll:

Author:  Jem [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:07 ]
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?:|

Author:  MaliA [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:11 ]
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.

Author:  myp [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:14 ]
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.

Author:  Cavey [ Mon Mar 06, 2017 17:17 ]
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Who *is* that lady, Mali?
I have to say, she's really quite attractive. :D

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