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Author:  Cavey [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:00 ]
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
You are. I remain baffled that I'm here.


You're here for the same reasons that I am I suspect, ergo there are loads of interesting people here with divergent views about stuff, and for every one of "these type" of discussions, there are three, five, ten others that are great.

I purposely avoided this, my old politics thread, precisely because it seems to be a red rag to a bull to some people. (Conceded, I sometimes don't help either)

Personally I'm looking forward to the BBQ where I can actually meet some of these guys and gals I've been speaking with for 10 years or more, and I'm not planning on mentioning politics once - only beer and Champagne. :)
Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:18 ]
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Cavey wrote:
ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
You are. I remain baffled that I'm here.


You're here for the same reasons that I am I suspect, ergo there are loads of interesting people here with divergent views about stuff, and for every one of "these type" of discussions, there are three, five, ten others that are great.

I purposely avoided this, my old politics thread, precisely because it seems to be a red rag to a bull to some people. (Conceded, I sometimes don't help either)

Personally I'm looking forward to the BBQ where I can actually meet some of these guys and gals I've been speaking with for 10 years or more, and I'm not planning on mentioning politics once - only beer and Champagne. :)

The bbq are awesome
Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:26 ]
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Cavey wrote:
ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
You are. I remain baffled that I'm here.


You're here for the same reasons that I am I suspect, ergo there are loads of interesting people here with divergent views about stuff, and for every one of "these type" of discussions, there are three, five, ten others that are great.

I purposely avoided this, my old politics thread, precisely because it seems to be a red rag to a bull to some people. (Conceded, I sometimes don't help either)

Personally I'm looking forward to the BBQ where I can actually meet some of these guys and gals I've been speaking with for 10 years or more, and I'm not planning on mentioning politics once - only beer and Champagne. :)


Challenge accepted!

I am so going to make you talk about politics!

:DD
Author:  Cavey [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:29 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Cavey wrote:
ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
You are. I remain baffled that I'm here.


You're here for the same reasons that I am I suspect, ergo there are loads of interesting people here with divergent views about stuff, and for every one of "these type" of discussions, there are three, five, ten others that are great.

I purposely avoided this, my old politics thread, precisely because it seems to be a red rag to a bull to some people. (Conceded, I sometimes don't help either)

Personally I'm looking forward to the BBQ where I can actually meet some of these guys and gals I've been speaking with for 10 years or more, and I'm not planning on mentioning politics once - only beer and Champagne. :)


Challenge accepted!

I am so going to make you talk about politics!

:DD


:DD

Curio, you're a bad, bad man. I'd prefer my Beex maiden voyage not to involve my getting beaten up or made to do hideous drinking challenges. :p
Author:  MaliA [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:32 ]
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Wait! That's optional? You fiends!
Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:35 ]
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Okay. I'll just drink your champagne then!
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 23:08 ]
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Quote:
So if I understand this correctly, a scientist who said women in science cry when criticized quit his job after 48 hours of criticism.
Author:  Cavey [ Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:46 ]
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CPI back into positive (just), at 0.1% for May, a net increase of +0.2% from April.
Author:  Findus Fop [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:21 ]
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Not sure exactly where this belongs, but Bruce has popped up in this thread a few times.

https://twitter.com/profanityswan/statu ... 5195717632
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:30 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
Not sure exactly where this belongs, but Bruce has popped up in this thread a few times.

https://twitter.com/profanityswan/statu ... 5195717632


L-lol
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:47 ]
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Heh. The person Boris Johnson credited as scientific proof that women cry more in the workplace than men, making saying it okay, has come out and said that in his only workplace study, men cried more than women.
Author:  Cavey [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:10 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
Not sure exactly where this belongs, but Bruce has popped up in this thread a few times.

https://twitter.com/profanityswan/statu ... 5195717632


My word... 8)
Never really worked out who this Bruce bloke is/was, I assume there was some connection with :attitude: at some point because I vaguely recall some long-running feud between them years ago?
Author:  markg [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:19 ]
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He's most notable for running a successful computer games company into the ground. This apparently qualifies him to tell everyone else about every fucking thing.
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:20 ]
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markg wrote:
He's most notable for running a successful computer games company into the ground. This apparently qualifies him to tell everyone else about every fucking thing.


Yeah? Well, TROUSERS!
Author:  Cavey [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:20 ]
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markg wrote:
He's most notable for running a successful computer games company into the ground. This apparently qualifies him to tell everyone else about every fucking thing.


Ah right, cheers Mark. Should have known there was a gaming connection. :)
Author:  markg [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:23 ]
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This is quite an entertaining read should you wish to learn more:

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.c ... ality.html
Author:  Cras [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:34 ]
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He sets himself up as an infallible authority on everything under the sun, and he's hilariously insane. On the day after the election he got temporarily banned from Twitter for tweeting "LOSER" at every single MP that lost their seat.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:41 ]
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Cras wrote:
He sets himself up as an infallible authority on everything under the sun, and he's hilariously insane.

Who are we talking about now?
Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:42 ]
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They should make a TV program where they lock him in a room with Stu.

And Kim Jong-un.
Author:  Cras [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:45 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Cras wrote:
He sets himself up as an infallible authority on everything under the sun, and he's hilariously insane.

Who are we talking about now?


Bruce Everiss
Author:  Cavey [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:48 ]
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Wow, amazing scenes... the internet is an incredible place :D

Mind you....

Quote:
Um, wasn't the problem that you pissed away fortunes on sports cars and motorbikes


:o Erm...
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:15 ]
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Cras wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Cras wrote:
He sets himself up as an infallible authority on everything under the sun, and he's hilariously insane.

Who are we talking about now?

Bruce Everiss

Are you sure?
Author:  Achilles [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 21:09 ]
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Author:  Cavey [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 21:31 ]
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I won't be debating, trust me on that. I'm planning on having fun and a laugh, and the only 'thinking time' I'll need is for what beverage I'm going to quaff next, so sorry to disappoint.
Author:  Achilles [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 21:35 ]
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Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:07 ]
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Andy Burnham seems like just another Tory-lite suit. Would rather he didn't win, but there's not exactly a stand out candidate. I'd vote for Corbyn, just for actual opposition.

Also, Stella Creasy FTW as deputy (likely to be Tom Watson I reckon, and I like him too).
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:27 ]
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Jesus christ, Cobracure. If I get to come to the BBQ and FINALLY have the chance to have a drink with Cavey and you ruin it by acting as much of a tit as you are on this thread, I shall be exceedingly peeved.
Author:  Dr Lave [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:23 ]
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Cras wrote:
He sets himself up as an infallible authority on everything under the sun, and he's hilariously insane. On the day after the election he got temporarily banned from Twitter for tweeting "LOSER" at every single MP that lost their seat.


But that's brilliant. Like some kind of performing art.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 18:29 ]
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24 hour tube strike as earning twice the national average isn't sufficient to work 7 night shifts a year.
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 18:35 ]
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If my employer started making me work nights without consultation or any improvement to my compensation I'd be pretty pissed off too.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 18:38 ]
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If I were your employer, I'd make you work nights so I would not have to look at you.
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 20:03 ]
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MaliA wrote:
If I were your employer, I'd make you work nights so I would not have to look at you.


If I were your employee, I'd work them.
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 20:41 ]
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Awww, you guys.
Author:  Achilles [ Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:38 ]
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Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:14 ]
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[edit] never mind. Carry on.
Author:  Achilles [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:19 ]
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Author:  Cavey [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:32 ]
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Cobracure wrote:
Mr Kissyfur wrote:
[edit] never mind. Carry on.


Yeah. I will.


X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzsfyxACV7M

You fucking coward.

"Imagine a king who fights his own battles"

"Is there no one else?"


Sorry, this is just too much now. Kissyfur's a good friend of mine, I'll be buggered if I'll sit by and watch you abuse him like this for having the temerity to say to you what most of us are doubtless thinking.

Just what "battle" are you expecting him, me, or anyone else to "fight" with you (and if we don't, we're all "cowards"?) Do you imagine that I'm some Conan the Barbarian type figure to be vanquished by your posts on some internet forum? Is that how it goes in your head? Get a grip, for fuck's sake.

We've got our own lives to lead and real world problems to deal with; you know, kids, grandkids, careers, mortgage payments, whatever. 'Fighting' some totally pointless and frankly worrying 'battles' with some random on the internet comes pretty far down the list I'd say, at least for us.

For my part I let your Politics thread comments about 'put any shit in his [mine] thread' or whatever slide because (a) I don't want bad feeling on the forum and (b) I don't give a flying toss anyway, I have real life stuff to worry about as I've said, but you're still here with this stuff regardless. You particularly need to make a mental note of (b), here.

I suggest you need to take a step back, press that 'reset' button in your head and ask yourself what are you even trying to achieve. As I've made patently clear, I don't want to play, and I very much suspect no-one else does either.
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:50 ]
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I've said it before but I'll say it again. This bloke, whoever he is, has serious mental issues. Case in point the thread where he ranted at me saying that he'll 'finish it' between us when I argued with him about something or other. He just gave the impression of being a complete frigging nutbar. An internet hardman trying far too hard.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:01 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Do you imagine that I'm some Conan the Barbarian type figure to be vanquished by your posts on some internet forum?

That's totally how I imagine you. If that's not the case I'm going to be well upset.
Author:  Cavey [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:02 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Do you imagine that I'm some Conan the Barbarian type figure to be vanquished by your posts on some internet forum?

That's totally how I imagine you. If that's not the case I'm going to be well upset.


You're gonna be disappointed, dude. :D
Author:  Achilles [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 14:00 ]
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Author:  Cavey [ Fri Jun 26, 2015 14:10 ]
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Good man. :)
Moving on, nothing to see here. :hug:
Author:  Cavey [ Sun Jun 28, 2015 19:02 ]
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Well, looks like poor old Greece is toast, then.

I'm not saying they (successive Greek governments, especially this current one, and even the Greek people to an extent) don't have some culpability in all of this, of course they do. Y'know, it's kinda necessary to collect taxes; even the richest countries on Earth can't afford to give lifetime final salary pension schemes to its 45-year old hairdressers and bingo callers; actually making and exporting stuff also helps. But, there can't really be too much doubt that, not withstanding all the milk-and-honey Wongadosh economics and the endless borrowing of the Greeks, they, the citizens of this European project have been hung out to dry in the name of preserving a mere currency; a currency that it was clearly lunacy for them, and many other EU States to have ever signed up to. As everyone must surely now appreciate - even the most ardent supporters of the Euro - a currency union of this scale, with such politically, culturally and most importantly economically diverse would-be States absolutely cannot work long term without full and unflinching political union. That, of course, is never going to happen, not least as evidenced by the aforestated let 'em hang out to dry approach.

I've said it before many times and I'll say it again; Greece being ejected from the Euro will only hasten the inevitable complete demise of that currency, howsoever cynically 'firewalled' the bankers think this is after 2-3 years in the planning. No-one will ever believe 'cast iron' assurances from the EU ever again. Confidence, once lost, cannot easily (if ever) be regained.
Author:  MaliA [ Sun Jun 28, 2015 20:23 ]
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It certainly makes the whole project creak about its axis. You could get a week's break (half board, including flights) for £113 the other week, with the man on the bbc pretty saying if you took euros you would probably almost drink for free in the taverna the next night so desperate businesses would be to avoid the exit.
Author:  Curiosity [ Sun Jun 28, 2015 20:55 ]
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Ugh. I'd really rather Greece didn't leave.

Mainly because I made a scenario about it for our business planning, and I don't want it to be shown as the work of spectacular fiction that it was.

As for the Euro, any monetary union without fully centralised fiscal policy ain't gonna last.
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Sun Jun 28, 2015 20:59 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Ugh. I'd really rather Greece didn't leave.

Mainly because I made a scenario about it for our business planning, and I don't want it to be shown as the work of spectacular fiction that it was.

As for the Euro, any monetary union without fully centralised fiscal policy ain't gonna last.

Those scenarios never work anyway. I have a client who is holding an amount of Greek bonds in case it cane good. You guys are no longer my worst!
Author:  ElephantBanjoGnome [ Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:04 ]
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There is the advantage that a weakened Euro would be handy for trips to the continent in the upcoming months ;)

As of today the Euro->Pound rate is at its highest for a year.
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:01 ]
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ElephantBanjoGnome wrote:
There is the advantage that a weakened Euro would be handy for trips to the continent in the upcoming months ;)

As of today the Euro->Pound rate is at its highest for a year.

Annoyingly, I have €500 in cash at home.

Even more annoyingly, the reason I didn't change it back was because I was (a) Hungover to buggery at the airport (and only had a stupid amount of cash as I'd taken a stupid amount out whilst very drunk the night before, causing said hangover) and (b) thought I may as well hold onto it as I'm off to Athens in September.
Author:  Bobbyaro [ Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:47 ]
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I am sure most of us have played Civilisation. Would anyone be surprised if Greece announced themselves a vassal state of Germany, with full fiscal control by the Germans?
Author:  Cavey [ Mon Jun 29, 2015 16:53 ]
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Bobbyaro wrote:
I am sure most of us have played Civilisation. Would anyone be surprised if Greece announced themselves a vassal state of Germany, with full fiscal control by the Germans?


Meh. Actually, the Germans wouldn't touch em with a barge pole - that's basically the problem (from a European Federalist perspective, i.e. the EU's enshrined agenda, you know, the one they've fallen at the first hurdle on)

It's all so bloody stupid, what is it with these fucking people and their idiotic, grand vanity projects...? I'm no "kipper" and in fact used to regard myself as quite the Europhile (albeit I've never believed the Euro itself would fly, as oft-stated), but really, the last 2-3 years in particular have turned my stomach.

By the same token and relatedly, what is with (usually the same) people who insist on dodging, funking, vacillating and kicking the fucking can down the street when it's as plain as the nose on my face that, sooner or later, the nettle is going to have to be grasped and the longer said can is kicked, the darn sight worse it's going to be for all concerned? Sheesh, these people wouldn't last 5 minutes in business, yet they're entrusted to run institutions controlling tens and hundreds of billions of pounds (that they piss away). Gnnngh.

Greece is flat, flat broke, deal with it already. Give 'em back their currency (along with everyone else in the Eurozone), let them default (as there is NO other option long term), let them massively devalue. At least the terrible economic pain they'll endure will actually (eventually) have a positive outcome for them, unlike now. Let's get back to the EU being a collective of participants in a free trade zone; we could call it.......... the EEC, which has a familiar ring to it. :roll:

Banker's Rocket Science Lesson of the Day: don't lend to people or governments who have no means to repay. Fuck me, you'd have thought the twats would've worked that one out by now.
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