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Author:  MrChris [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 13:36 ]
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Things I have learnt today - the European commission doesn't trust people not to spill drinks. No drink allowed in the auditorium in this building. I tried to break this rule and got roundly remonstrated by a waiter in a bow tie.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 13:43 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Things I have learnt today - the European commission doesn't trust people not to spill drinks. No drink allowed in the auditorium in this building. I tried to break this rule and got roundly remonstrated by a waiter in a bow tie.


The upside of Brexit.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 13:48 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Things I have learnt today - the European commission doesn't trust people not to spill drinks. No drink allowed in the auditorium in this building. I tried to break this rule and got roundly remonstrated by a waiter in a bow tie.

Why do they have waiters if you aren't allowed to have a drink?

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 13:49 ]
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Mimi wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Things I have learnt today - the European commission doesn't trust people not to spill drinks. No drink allowed in the auditorium in this building. I tried to break this rule and got roundly remonstrated by a waiter in a bow tie.

Why do they have waiters if you aren't allowed to have a drink?

Maybe they hold the drink for you and pour it into your mouth? That would be ace!

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 13:50 ]
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The waiters were in the lobby area, which is where we were supposed to consume beverages. I got spied and he chased me into the auditorium

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 13:53 ]
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Ah! Haha, that makes more sense, though Grim...'s way would have been more enjoyable.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 13:59 ]
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I was trying to find a picture of someone giving wine from a porron to another person, as that's the only way I e ever seen them used, but most pictures on the internet are of people using a porron alone, and that's not nearly as much fun.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:00 ]
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Ah, here is one.

There should totally be porrons at the cottage. There would be (more) carnage.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:01 ]
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Also you're supposed to do it from a far greater distance, otherwise where is the fun?

Anyway, that's what Grim... made me think of.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:07 ]
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Think of Grim..., think of fluids hitting your face.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:18 ]
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Today I learned what a porron is.

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:24 ]
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Kern wrote:
Today I learned what a porron is.

Nono, a porron is for wine. You learned about "cumshot".

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:34 ]
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Well, that took a turn for the unexpected.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:38 ]
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Mimi wrote:
Well, that took a turn for the unexpected.


I'm now worried that Mr Chris might be in the wrong building.

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:39 ]
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Kern wrote:
Mimi wrote:
Well, that took a turn for the unexpected.


I'm now worried that Mr Chris might be in the wrong building.


I'm now worried that he punched out that UKIP chap.

Author:  devilman [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 14:51 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Kern wrote:
Mimi wrote:
Well, that took a turn for the unexpected.


I'm now worried that Mr Chris might be in the wrong building.


I'm now worried that he punched out that UKIP chap.


Well he was in Brussels on the same day as that stabbing incident. Maybe he's on a European rampage.

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Oct 06, 2016 16:17 ]
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According to the guardian it sounds like Woolfe picked a fight with Hookem but his mouth was making promises even his MEP expenses couldn't cash.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Oct 10, 2016 13:30 ]
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Stuff on the performance of Sterling including this amazing quote

Quote:
The currency is now the de facto official opposition to the government's policies


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36721278

Author:  Joans [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:50 ]
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Cras wrote:
Stuff on the performance of Sterling including this amazing quote


Thought this was the podcast thread for a minute.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:00 ]
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Yup :)

Author:  Joans [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:23 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Yup :)


Sudden rise in the performance of Sterling, but the potential for drop-off soon. :spew:

Author:  Cras [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:31 ]
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And nobody could possibly predict what will happen at the close of trading.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:46 ]
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Anti fracking guy on Today was a bit of a knob.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:52 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Anti fracking guy on Today was a bit of a knob.


I didn't hear that but the Stop the War interview just before 7 didn't really go anywhere and I'm still not certain what their position is other than 'war is bad'. Not sure if it was the fault of the interviewee, the interviewer, or a mixture of both.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:40 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Anti fracking guy on Today was a bit of a knob.

Sounded like he had a proper strop once Mishal cut him off at the end.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:30 ]
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MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Anti fracking guy on Today was a bit of a knob.

Sounded like he had a proper strop once Mishal cut him off at the end.


Yes, didn't he just?

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 13:47 ]
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Philip Davies MP has been in the local news, again. Twice in fact. Once was for trying to put the brakes on Greenfield development and again on election fraud. Both will be popular in his constituency.

Author:  MaliA [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:31 ]
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Council wants residents to clear own snow. Which I won't be doing unless they indemnify me.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:03 ]
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Very good piece from Cracked on why many Americans are still voting for Trump -- and, I believe, very similar reasons to why many Brits voted for Brexit.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-t ... lks-about/

Author:  Curiosity [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 14:34 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Very good piece from Cracked on why many Americans are still voting for Trump -- and, I believe, very similar reasons to why many Brits voted for Brexit.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-t ... lks-about/


I could only get halfway through before wanting to incinerate the universe.

Does he ever get to a point? Or is it just that city folk are weird and different, apart from the Republican city folk who are all just like country folk, and Donald Trump is somehow a typical rural chap who just happens to be a massive racist and sexual abuser, which is perfectly in line with being a Christian now, apparently?

Author:  Cras [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:26 ]
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It's also pretty much sunk as a rational reason for voting patterns by the 'if only women voted' results - which show even the heavily rural areas mostly going blue. So it's only the men in rural areas that are misunderstood and not given their beliefs the respect they deserve?

Author:  Curiosity [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 14:59 ]
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Cras wrote:
It's also pretty much sunk as a rational reason for voting patterns by the 'if only women voted' results - which show even the heavily rural areas mostly going blue. So it's only the men in rural areas that are misunderstood and not given their beliefs the respect they deserve?


I don't get how it can even be close to a sensible reason given that the vast majority of the traditional 1% are Republican (though this is slightly shifting at the moment).

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:09 ]
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MaliA wrote:
20th Oct for Batley aft Jo Cox death and same date for Witney elections.


Seen lots of small signs for labour candidate but only one for English Democrats. List of candidates:

Corbyn Anti - English Independence;
Tracy Lynn Brabin - Labour Party;
Jack Buckby - Liberty GB;
Richard Charles Edmonds - National Front;
David Furness - British National Party;
Therese Hirst - English Democrats:
Waqas Ali Khan - Independent;
Garry Mervyn Kitchin - Independent;
Ankit Love - One Love Party;
Henry Edmund Burke Mayhew - Independent.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:01 ]
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Quote:
Since the EU referendum on June 23, this country has been turned on its head. The latest proof comes from an unlikely – and indeed unwitting – source. The former England football captain, Gary Lineker.

A few days ago on Twitter, Lineker expressed his disappointment at the lack of sympathy some people in Britain were showing to refugees. In some cases, he believed, their attitude was not only heartless but racist.

In return, he received cascades of indignant abuse. A Ukip MEP, Patrick O’Flynn, suggested he should lose his job as presenter of the BBC’s Match of the Day. Then the Sun joined in, by claiming on its front page that “the BBC was under pressure to fire Gary Lineker”. Apparently, some people were so offended by Lineker’s comments that they proposed a boycott of the brand of crisps he advertises. (Walker’s, if you want to join in. Or, indeed, if you want to buy some extra, out of solidarity.)

There, in microcosm, you see how debate has changed in this country. Everyone’s switched sides.

Because, until quite recently, it was the socially conservative who complained that “you can’t say anything nowadays” without causing outrage among the socially liberal. Now, it’s the socially liberal who complain that “you can’t say anything nowadays” without causing outrage among the socially conservative.

It’s fascinating: a complete role reversal. What are the people calling for Lineker to lose his job, after all, if not hyper-sensitive “special snowflakes” who are trying to “no-platform” someone, merely because he expressed an opinion they didn’t like? Can’t he even mention immigration without people jumping down his throat? Aren’t they just shutting down debate about his legitimate concerns, by taking offence and playing the victim card? Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Honestly. It’s political incorrectness gone mad.

Marvelous: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016 ... of-speech/

Author:  JimB [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:13 ]
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It (the outrage at Lineker's comments) would be funny were it not such a widespread view amongst the British public. It's not as though there weren't out-and-out bigots before the EU referendum, but the result does seem to make them think they can spout their pissant views more openly.

Lineker should just tell them all to fuck off, but I'm sure he's too polite to do so.

Author:  Curiosity [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:42 ]
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It's weird that my current favourite non-sport journalist works for he bloody Telegraph (Michael Deacon, who penned the above Lineker story and also covered that time Nigel Farage and Bob Geldof had a battle on the Thames).

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 16:09 ]
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Deacon is amazing but you can't mention him without linking to his best work: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/1004 ... Brown.html

Author:  Curiosity [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 16:13 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Deacon is amazing but you can't mention him without linking to his best work: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/1004 ... Brown.html


I hadn't realised that was him. Just beautiful.

Author:  MaliA [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 18:23 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Deacon is amazing but you can't mention him without linking to his best work: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/1004 ... Brown.html


I hadn't realised that was him. Just beautiful.


Superb

Author:  Kern [ Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:30 ]
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I've suddenly realised that I really have no opinion on whether the runway should be built at Heathrow or Gatwick. 'London' Oxford, on the other hand...

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:01 ]
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Kern wrote:
I've suddenly realised that I really have no opinion on whether the runway should be built at Heathrow or Gatwick. 'London' Oxford, on the other hand...


I am pretty much 'meh' about it. I like to think May has purposefully said Heathrow to put Boris in another uncomfortable position.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:15 ]
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Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Author:  myp [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:33 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:48 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies


Yeah, I dunno how I would feel if the government suddenly went about propping up businesses as a result of a poorly thought out decision against facts and stuff.

Author:  myp [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:55 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies


Yeah, I dunno how I would feel if the government suddenly went about propping up businesses as a result of a poorly thought out decision against facts and stuff.

I mean it's great for the 4,000 workers at the plant. Not so much for anyone else really. Tax payers' money being used to effectively bribe a foreign corporation to stay in the country.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:02 ]
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Making sweetheart deals with major employers to stay in the UK despite Brexit is the new bailing out failing banks. Party like it's 2009, baby.

Author:  Curiosity [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:03 ]
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Surely what's next is every other manufacturer of anything immediately asking for a handout?

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:03 ]
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Sunderland without Nissan would be an unpleasant place.

Mind you... Sunderland *with* Nissan isn't much cop.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:03 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies


Yeah, I dunno how I would feel if the government suddenly went about propping up businesses as a result of a poorly thought out decision against facts and stuff.

I mean it's great for the 4,000 workers at the plant. Not so much for anyone else really. Tax payers' money being used to effectively bribe a foreign corporation to stay in the country.



My current feeling is still "most of them voted for it, suffer the consequences" but I think that inducements to stay should not be paid. If this is the desired direction, then the consequences need to be made clear.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:04 ]
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MaliA wrote:
My current feeling is still "most of them voted for it, suffer the consequences" but I think that inducements to stay should not be paid. If this is the desired direction, then the consequences need to be made clear.

In your world, many spiteful faces would be noseless.

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