Be Excellent To Each Other

Skimming the debate. The Speaker's interjections are always fun:

Mhairi Black On trident

https://twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/ ... 3859840000

My reasons for voting against Trident renewal.https://t.co/XVHOYcvgNN

— Mhairi Black MP (@MhairiBlack) July 18, 2016

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I'd argue that being a permanent member of the UN Security Council is worth preserving and means we're not isolating ourselves. Not sure if it require nuclear weapons to do that but it probably helps.

I agree, it is not like they will every get used.

It's like a bees sting.

A bee rather hopes, wth its great intellect and use of abstract thought, that she wouldn't have to use it.

And everyone else hopes that some nutter wasp doesn't get one, with no reason to fear using it.

Why? So our woefully shite politicians can get to make terrible decisions that affect the entire world? What a stench on the world scene we are. An arms dealer that has isolated itself from Europe but insists that it deserves to be heard because it has nukes. What a fucking embarrassment.

Yes they are big white elephants, which will never be used. Pointless, but needed.

Well that's the debate, isn't it. Do we need a nuclear arsenal if the US have one 1000 times the size? What's the point?

The US is increasingly shifting its focus to the Pacific and Indian Oceans, and there's increasing talk, especially from the Trump camp, of making Europeans less reliant on Uncle Sam for their security. If we didn't have them, we probably wouldn't be seeking them, but as we do I don't feel comfortable with the only nuclear armed states in Europe being France and Russia.

I'd be more than happy for the UK to withdraw from the world stage for a few decades and get just a little bit inward focused. Maybe take ourselves off a few hit-lists. I've never really understood this obsession with trying to play with the big boys.

Lies.

this is going round facebook. I am missing something, but I don't get the point.

Don't forget July the 23rd is the day we switch off the BBC TV & Radio. It's pay back day for all the news blackouts as well as the bias reporting surrounding the referendum. It's our day to boycott them. It's time they knew who keeps them.

Imagine 17.000.000 million of us refusing to pay them their £145 license fee.

Remember folks, the best fights are won when people stand together.

Will you join the rest of us? Please like and share.

I do think use of 'bias' as an adjective is my current greatest pedantry bugbear.

You're just bias against bad grammar.

The good thing about that is that it doesn't state any particular political point. Everyone can join in! Leaver, remainer, Labour, Conservative, you can all get angry at the BBC together!

Also, everyone knows the best fights are won when Jason Statham, armed only with an iron bar, is up against like 6 guys with machine guns.

It's certainly an odd message. Having nosed around Facebook for it, it seems to be being shared by various Brexit folk, or just plain old racists, often accompanied by this charming image...

Why does nobody ever complain that the Beeb is biased towards them?

They spelt paedophile wrong.

A peadophile doesn't sound too bad really.

Dude, you gave two options!

Gah, looks like something that my dad would email to me. Constantly. If he still had a working email address of mine.

Are we allowed to have foreign people be Prime Minister?

Just that Obama is out of a job soon...

A minister has to be a member of one of the chambers. He could be given a peerage and then become a minister, yes.

Diane Abbott is a liability. On R4 this morning, rather than talk about the apparent shift in stance on the Tory immigration targets (a seriously inportant thing to voters now, and an easy hit), ahe decided to talk about how beastly Labour MPs are and how Owen Smith used to have a job as a lobbyist so not good for labour. And then praised Chakrabarti who the Times called "most effective public affairs lobbyist 8n past 20 years" so some lobbyists are more equal than others.

The purge begins.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... itics-live

11.07 update

Just seen his comments on how wrong it is for pharmaceutical companies to do medical research.

The man is a moron. Completely Barking.

https://twitter.com/garwboy/status/756096110746304513

Tried to do an objective, neutral explanation of my problem with Corbyn. Will no doubt get abuse, but hey ho pic.twitter.com/zXhQcgrENJ

— Dean Burnett (@garwboy) July 21, 2016

Really solid writeup of the thing that bugs me most about many of Corbyn's fans.

Crikey.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 49086.html

He should go quietly.


Relatedly:

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Famously, Corbyn called for annual leadership elections in 2003 when Blair was in power so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It doesn't make the MPs look good though, not respecting the democratic process of the party. Let's keep having elections until we get the result we want. It'll drive people away.

He's driving people away now. He's done naff all except put people off Labour. He cannot even pull a shadow cabinet together. His support are bunch of screaming elmos who are more pleased to tell their mates they are part of a political movement than concerned thattheir movement is causing more harm to the people they claim to care about because it has led to no credible opposition, Brexit, and Government doing what they want. They don't want power, they have said that, they just wamt to scream "it could be better". It's disgusting.

I've been re-reading part 2 of George Orwell's 'Road to Wigan Pier' recently (part 1 is about conditions in the north; part 2 is about the problems of getting support for Socialism). I'm quite fond of this line:



I might skim through the book again this evening as there were one or two passages I thought quite apt for the present time, notably about the lack of worldliness about the working class held by the middle class intelligentsia.

Yes yes, you've been on your soapbox for quite some time now, but I am specifically talking about the leadership elections. Is it right that MPs ignore the will of the people and keep holding them until they get the answer they want or hope he walks away? What credibility will they retain by doing this?

I can't see how anyone will come out of this with any dignity the way things are going.

What if, as is suggested by the option polls, the MPs' constituents are telling them not to support Corbyn? Should they ignore the will of the people?

Well maybe those constituents should join the Labour Party and influence the process in a manner which is already established and understood.

If I didn't like the way Burger King prepared their fries I wouldn't go to Boots to complain about the price of cotton wool and expect to get the results I was after.

So if I had wanted to lobby my Conservative MP to vote against a third runway for Heathrow because I was concerned about air pollution levels, I should have joined the Conservative Party?

Blaming the voters is just ignoring reality. The current problem in a nutshell.

That makes no sense. The process for choosing the leader of a party is a vote of the party membership. The process for deciding whether there's a third runway at heathrow isn't.

You seem reluctant to criticise him.instead, you whatabouttery, wanting to argue process and try to paint wanting rid of him to be undemocratic.

How do you think he's done? What do you think he has achieved?

I am a potential labour voter. (although not while that imbecile remains as leader)

But I'm not going to pay 25 pounds for the opportunity to have Jack all say in who is the leader.

However, I can say to any labour canvassers that there's no way that I'd ever vote for him. Which is broadly the message they're getting. Do you expect them to entirely ignore that message they're getting?

Happy to criticise him (and have done in this very thread!) I don't think he's done particularly well or achieved much of substance, for a variety of reasons: some his own fault; others fault of his own Party; others outside of his control.

If there were a credible alternative who shared the same values as I do, I would vote for them in a heartbeat, just to stop this stalemate, but there isn't. As it is I probably won't vote for either of them.

Bah. Screaming Elmos aren't old enough to be in a political party. (In fact they are specifically not old enough to play Call of Duty online). Get your Beexslang correct!

Eeeh.... so, Corbyn eh?

For me, it's now gone beyond farce and events are literally too absurd to even quote now. The Labour Party are truly beyond parody; show me the person who'd still vote for that lot to run the country, I'll show you an individual suffering major involuntary axial eye movements. I mean, seriously? They make Screaming Lord Such look like a viable choice - and he's been dead since 1999.

Heck, if only someone could've said Corbyn was an utterly absurd choice right from the off; that his election as leader was a Free Pass to the Tories; that said election would lead to massive schism and probable actual disintegration of Labour, all in short order. If only eh?

Oh wait.

I'm confused. You think Corbyn is bad, but the PLP are trying everything they can to remove Corbyn, but that makes the PLP... bad?

I'm sure you are confused Doc, yes.
Still, never mind. Not long to wait now. Bollinger on ice this end.

It must be some comfort. I can only imagine how much of an absolute cunt anyone must feel for having voted in David Cameron right now.

It's disgusting how Corbyn's bunch of goons are behaving. Acting like a left-wing version of UKIP activists, and just as divisive. Total voter-repellent.

It's terrible getting involved in Labour at local level at the moment. No fun for anyone who doesn't want "JOIN THE TORIES!!" and "BLAIRITE!!" shouted in your face by someone who hasn't been in the party for 5 minutes.

Seriously, if the PLP majority split off and form a new, mainstream centre-left party without the crazy tribute act to 1970s Marxist students, I'll join it ASAP. I hope that it doesn't come to a split, but if it does, I will not miss being in the same political party as a bunch of belligerent nutters.

Mate, if you're seriously suggesting that even DC and the whole Brexit fuck up even holds a candle to Corbyn/Labour's ahem, "woes", then you truly have my sympathy. Yeah, I'm truly gutted we didn't get "Ed Stone" as PM and his fine bunch of colleagues I'm sure....

Okay, standing up to scrutiny was never their strongest suit and they've always had their looney-wing, but fuck me. It's like collective, group insanity right now, even among the merely "incompetent moderates" of their ranks.

What a bunch of utter fuck-tards, is all I can say. It's surely beyond any kind of dispute, now.