To be serious for one minute my question suggestion is "Why aren't the Middle Eastern States, with their huge resources (military and financial), not to mention moral duty and imperative, doing any of the heavy lifting with Isis, as this is their backyard, not ours. We didn't expect Saudi Arabia to sort out Northern Ireland?"

That's actually a very good question.

I agree they could be doing more but I think it's a crap analogy because it can be quite convincingly argued that we had a hand in creating both of those situations.

Also they don't have the white saviour complex that we do (or the military might).

This won't end well.

FEEX

That article is a criticism of the newspapers' reporting of what Corbyn et al does, not of what they actually do, but the journalist seems blissfully ignorant of it.

Credibility in the leadership and a hope that it can deliver election wins.

Example: Not a news cycle with McDonnel quoting Mao and throwing a book at GO. The headlines should have been about how the tax credits climbdown was to do with GO's own ambitions and pressed that issue.

Example: Corbyn not singing national anthem. Headlines should have been about Tory rebels in the vote.

The shadow cabinet is terrible, too.
Looks like a monkey fucking a football at times.

Which is why they cannot give them anything. They need to be doing more to control this.

How do you propose that happens? You appear to be arguing towards Rupert Murdoch being our dictator.

Oh please Curio. The way you talk, you'd think Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al have spoken words of pure wisdom and been vindicated on everything from foreign policy to the economy, and the only reason why they're perceived as a bunch of loons you wouldn't entrust with a fucking electric iron, let alone running the country, is all supposedly down to evil, all-powerful Tory press barons controlling our thoughts.

FFS chap, people have eyes and ears.

even took a "selfie" of us both

Heh. Well, I didn't get to ask any questions but thoroughly enjoyed last night and actually agreed with much of what John McDonnell had to say about Syria (and incredibly was able to tell him so, one to one, at length after the programme and even took a "selfie" of us both, what a true gent and a nice guy!)

I even told him I was a one nation Conservative too; he only flinched very slightly as said it was good we still found common ground

The Metro is apparently running a headline of "Corbyn's free vote puts UK on brink of war".

Ummmmm.

He's the one opposing it you malignant fuckwits!

Which bit of what he says there are you objecting to?

“He has just invented 70 thousand, supposedly moderate non-Islamist Syrians who are going to spring to our side once we start bombing

“He still believes, for reasons I don’t fully understand, that the Assad regime is uniquely intolerable.”

ISIS want us to bomb them. They want to drive a wedge between white westerners and those muslims who live peacably in our countries. We would just be playing into their hands.

You cannot win a war against them without ground troops, so airstrikes is just a pointless flexing of military muscle.

Umm. These for starters:

Islamist is code for terrorist.

I'm not sure what to say about this either.

How is it a threat to our national security though? Surely bombing Syria will cause terrorist attacks in this country to be more likely, not less?

The British city most at risk of terror attacks in Belfast (91), followed by Bristol (178), Cardiff (313), Manchester (398) and London (400).

And Belfast isn't British.

Great Britain is England, Scotland, and Wales. Hence the UK being The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

What's the demonym for people from GB?

Also British, apparently. How useful.

I have just learned that a once-popular german slur for Brits was Inselaffe, however, which means 'Island Monkey'. Ace!