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Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Conservatives called a referendum and Conservatives lead the Vote Leave efforts and Conservatives are implementing Brexit. That's not an external factor, it's Conservative party policy.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:05

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Conservatives called s referendum and Conservatives lead the Vote Leave efforts and Conservatives are implementing Brexit. That's not an external factor, it's Conservative party policy.

Not Brexit. The EU. Clearly the only reason we could be leaving to get away from them taking all our money. Not rank xenophobia at all.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:16

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

What's the Conservative party line on why they haven't balanced the budget as was promised, anyway? I can't think of any external factors that have significantly affected us, so what's their excuse for missing their target by ten years when they've had everything their own way?

Reavers

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:25

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Conservatives called a referendum and Conservatives lead the Vote Leave efforts and Conservatives are implementing Brexit. That's not an external factor, it's Conservative party policy.

But just think of the damage Labour and Jeremy Corbyn would do!

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Kern wrote:

But just think of the damage Labour and Jeremy Corbyn would do!

I heard that if Corbyn was in charge we'd be see a deleterious run on the pound, devaluing our currency to record lows not seen for hundreds of years. Imagine that!

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6505

And a brain-drain as our renowned financial sector flees to our competitors in Europe!

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

It might get so bad that we'd no longer be one of the five largest economies in the world! That'd be awful, a real embarrassment.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38457

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It might get so bad that we'd no longer be one of the five largest economies in the world! That'd be awful, a real embarrassment.

As a fan of a yo-yoing football team, I can assure you, constant promotion and relegation is awesome entertainment value

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2017 13:02

DavPaz wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It might get so bad that we'd no longer be one of the five largest economies in the world! That'd be awful, a real embarrassment.

As a fan of a yo-yoing football team, I can assure you, constant promotion and relegation is awesome entertainment value

Heh

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2017 15:03

DavPaz wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It might get so bad that we'd no longer be one of the five largest economies in the world! That'd be awful, a real embarrassment.

As a fan of a yo-yoing football team, I can assure you, constant promotion and relegation is awesome entertainment value

Superb.

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It might get so bad that we'd no longer be one of the five largest economies in the world! That'd be awful, a real embarrassment.

Piffle. We would just roll up our sleeves and get down to business for blighty. There's no problem that us British can't solve with our wit and stiff upper lip.

We survived The Blitz for the love of God. Johnny foreigner can't break the British Bulldog spirit with his annoying facts and boring detail.

DUNKRIK!

etc.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2017 16:00

The story is as it always was: it is the fault of Gordon Brown.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2017 16:05

Curiosity wrote:

The story is as it always was: it is the fault of Gordon Brown.

He should have taught his dog to sleep IN the kennel.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:06

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Squirt wrote:

Build a fuck ton of housing?

Never in Mali's back yard

Round me would cause traffic issues to further worsen, rainwater run off would cause havoc and subside the remnants of the open cast coal pits. There would be huge pressure on already over subscribed schools and other infrastructure and why build on green belt when there are loads of brownfield sites in Bradford proper?

Too easy

All valid points I put on the last objection I had to houses.

4,000 empty homes in Bradford. Fill those before digging up countryside.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:43

Mr Speaker laid down the burns yesterday:

Quote:

Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op):
When I was a little boy, my grandmother used to say, “Shame the devil and tell the truth.” When will this Secretary of State tell the truth? He has been, with his colleagues, going around the world begging for a trade deal and everyone is telling him, “We want to trade with the European Union, a much bigger trading group.”

Mr Speaker:
Order. Just to be absolutely clear, I am sure that the hon. Gentleman would not suggest that the Secretary of State would ever tell an untruth in this House.

Mr Sheerman:
Absolutely not, and I did not mean to imply that he would. I thought the House would like to know what my grandmother used to say to me about the importance of veracity.

Mr Speaker:
No further explanation is required. We are immensely interested in the hon. Gentleman’s grandmother, and his ruminations on that matter will doubtless be found in his memoirs, which will be deposited in the Library and we can consult in the long winter evenings that lie ahead.

Ouch.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16556

Like. A. Fucking. Game. To. Them.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16556

Maybe that's just how it comes off when you just hear the "highlights" but it's like listening to a bunch of public schoolboys doing the world's shittest comedy panel show.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:21

"Just to be absolutely clear, I am sure that the hon. Gentleman would not suggest that the Secretary of State would ever tell an untruth in this House."
"Are you fucking kidding me? He's a lying cunt!"

myp · **Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:07

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Squirt wrote:

Build a fuck ton of housing?

Never in Mali's back yard

Round me would cause traffic issues to further worsen, rainwater run off would cause havoc and subside the remnants of the open cast coal pits. There would be huge pressure on already over subscribed schools and other infrastructure and why build on green belt when there are loads of brownfield sites in Bradford proper?

Too easy

All valid points I put on the last objection I had to houses.

4,000 empty homes in Bradford. Fill those before digging up countryside.

They should be requisitioned if they are just sitting there earning money for landlords not being used.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sun Nov 26, 2017 22:13

Peak Grauniad

myp · **Posted:** Sun Nov 26, 2017 22:16

MaliA wrote:

Peak Grauniad

You can like her music, but she does seem to be a somewhat problematic individual, as a lot of celebrities are for varying reasons.

For example I really hate the fact I like Katy Perry's music - she seems to be a terrible person.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

MaliA wrote:

Peak Grauniad

Jesus H fucking Christ in a chicken basket.

She hasn't publicly denounced Trump so is therefore a racist nazi. Obvs.

The Guardian, painting in primary colours since... well, probably since that year they tried to get people in the UK to write to voters in the US to tell them who to vote for.

myp · **Posted:** Sun Nov 26, 2017 23:56

If that's what you gleaned from that article (or more likely the headline) then I don't know what to say.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:36

It's what I took from it.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:15

MaliA wrote:

It's what I took from it.

I gathered that.

If you think the article says 'Taylor Swift is a literal Nazi' then I think it is your own critical faculties and ability to spot nuance that is in question, not the Guardian's, sorry mate.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:28

Maybe she saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks and stays well clear of overt politicing.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:46

Kern wrote:

Maybe she saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks and stays well clear of overt politicing.

I don't think she really stands for anything politically, or at best it's muddled. She's certainly insensitive to race issues. Just like… I'll let you join the dots.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:53

You don't have to defend her just because you like her music btw. I quite like 1989 too.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:54

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

It's what I took from it.

I gathered that.

If you think the article says 'Taylor Swift is a literal Nazi' then I think it is your own critical faculties and ability to spot nuance that is in question, not the Guardian's, sorry mate.

1st para: Taylor has not denounced Trump!
2nd para: Look at the similarities between them! Here are some!
5th para: She hangs about with rich, white people! And sues people who link the her to right wing views!
Final para: Country music is republican!
Final sentence: "[Swift is ] a musical envoy for the president’s values".

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:59

It's an editorial exploring the ideas, not a news report. Some of it I agree with. You don't have to!

You also don't have to get outraged every time your faves get criticised.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:13

Lonewolves wrote:

It's an editorial exploring the ideas, not a news report. Some of it I agree with. You don't have to!

You also don't have to get outraged every time your faves get criticised.

It's the guardian's editorial view of her. It says it at the top of the page.

The issue I have with it isn't to do with Swift. It's the insinuations (similarities to Trump), being guilty by association (Country is republican!), the "and people who have saId this got lawsuited". It seems that if someone doesn't pull a Dixie Chicks, then they are right to be denounced. It's wrong.

GazChap · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:26

I have to agree. I couldn't really give two hoots about Taylor Swift, but singling her out in that article seems unnecessary when you could quite easily level the same "accusations" (or insinuations, I suppose) against many artists. A little bit too clickbaity for my liking.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:26

I basically came away from that with "Taylor Swift has white friends and hasn't publically spoken out against the President, how fucking dare she", with a bit of "Any maybe she's a racist but we're fucked if we're going to say that so here's a link".

It's clickbait, basically.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:57

I basically don't know any of her music, but damn, that article is a stretch.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Lonewolves wrote:

If that's what you gleaned from that article (or more likely the headline) then I don't know what to say.

FFS myp. No one remotely suggested it said she was a "literal nazi". If you struggle that much with the use of hyperbole for effect then it's your critical faculties letting the side down here. That or you're going for a masterful level of ironic hypocrisy.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 23:22

No you! Etc.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:03

MaliA wrote:

Remember this sign from a while back? No?
Well, to refresh:

Parking behind the CoOp was 20 mins free. Then signs and ANPR appeared, and you had to type car reg in to get 20 free minutes. Many didn't, and were fined as per T&Cs.

Anyhoo, I dropped a note to local counciller and local MP over the signs not being terribly clear. Counciller responded and he had passed it over to MP. So, MP raises the issue in Parliament, and sends me half a dozen letters with copies of his correspondance with the council solicitors, parking ombudsman and other people.

Today, in the local paper reports:

Quote:

THE operator of a controversial car park has been ordered to shut it down and refund thousands of pounds in fines slapped on unsuspecting motorists.

Bradford Council took the dramatic step after receiving a host of complaints about the way private car park company Smart Parking was running the site at Oastler Road, Saltaire.

The authority was able to step in after discovering that the patch of land had never legally been turned into a car park and was still part of the public highway.

But in doing so, the Council has also had to hold its hands up to running the car park illegally itself for more than a decade, and now faces a major refund programme of its own.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... ial_fines/

Which is amazing. And has amused me.

So, I think P Davies will do OK in an election, again, as he's shown himself to be looking after community interests, especially as the council is a Labour run one and fingers can be pointed.

EXCITING CAR PARK UPDATE

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _launched/

Quote:

Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw, the Council’s executive member for regeneration, planning and transport, said: “We have started negotiations with the company, Saltaire Investments, and we are helping them to clarify the highway status of the land.

“As the car park is still operating illegally, we have also served a notice on the company to remove the car parking equipment from the site.

Not sure if I'm meant to type car reg in anymore or not, but it looks like a proper car park still.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _car_park/

Further plot twist!

Quote:

THE operators of a controversial car park which was ordered to shut down appear to be fighting back.

Private car park company Smart Parking has drawn anger from motorists over the way it has been handing out fines at Oastler Road car park in Saltaire.

The furore prompted Bradford Council to declare the site unlawful and serve a notice ordering the car park to close by November 24.

But in an apparent act of defiance against this notice, the company has now lodged a retrospective planning application for its parking signs, in a move one councillor branded “hilarious”.

Amazing.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/N ... _car_park/

Further developments in the Oastler Road Car Park fiasco

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:06

Excellent stuff!

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:17

That reminded me to pay my parking ticket. Thanks, Mali!

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:21

I'm a service to the community, me.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:36

Listening to Anne Coulter on the radio this morning was painful. She's horrible but speaks so fast it was hard for Nick Robinson to interrupt with questions. Glad he asked about mass shootings: you could hear her mental contortions as she struggled for a response. Not an interview I'll be listening again to, however.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:36

I don’t even know what to say about that cunt Donald Trump. Every day he hits a new low and keeps digging.

Doesn’t even bother with dog whistles any more, just screams racist diatribes down a megaphone. Says the objective truth doesn’t actually matter because his truth is more important. Openly supports a pedophile. Now openly a fascist and revelling in it. There is no such thing as a moderate Republican any more. It’s insane.

Theresa May needs to rescind the offer of a state visit. Fuck the ‘special relationship’; this is an abusive relationship.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38457

It amazing to see his staff stumble to defend his actions with a panicked, desperate look in their eyes.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:43

I don't think it matters. He said he's not coming until he's guaranteed a good reception.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:45

I reckon the government are hoping to stretch this out for so long that he's gone and Mike Pence comes instead. Not sure Mr Pence would want to share a room alone with the Queen, however.

As for the ghastly Mr Trump, I sometimes wonder if we ignore him would he just go away?

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:45

Lonewolves wrote:

I don't think it matters. He said he's not coming until he's guaranteed a good reception.

He shouldn't worry about this. He's going to attract bigger crowds than Barack Obama ever did!

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:53

Kern wrote:

Listening to Anne Coulter on the radio this morning was painful. She's horrible but speaks so fast it was hard for Nick Robinson to interrupt with questions. Glad he asked about mass shootings: you could hear her mental contortions as she struggled for a response. Not an interview I'll be listening again to, however.

Oh, god, yes. Thornberry was excellent afterward's, though, a cut above the rest.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:58

Lonewolves wrote:

I don't think it matters. He said he's not coming until he's guaranteed a good reception.

Still, to have the PM defending his proposed state visit is a shitty look, IMO. I get the pragmatism of not wanting to damage existing relationships, but it reeks of desperation and only doing it in case it helps with Brexit. Which it won’t.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:00

Curiosity wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

I don't think it matters. He said he's not coming until he's guaranteed a good reception.

Still, to have the PM defending his proposed state visit is a shitty look, IMO. I get the pragmatism of not wanting to damage existing relationships, but it reeks of desperation and only doing it in case it helps with Brexit. Which it won’t.

She was far too hasty in extending the invite, and it just looked weak and desperate.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:02

Kern wrote:

Curiosity wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

I don't think it matters. He said he's not coming until he's guaranteed a good reception.

Still, to have the PM defending his proposed state visit is a shitty look, IMO. I get the pragmatism of not wanting to damage existing relationships, but it reeks of desperation and only doing it in case it helps with Brexit. Which it won’t.

She was far too hasty in extending the invite, and it just looked weak and desperate.

Christ, yes.

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