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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 20:46 
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Northwich has a curry house now?
It does! An *awesome* one mate :)

http://bombayquaynorthwich.co.uk/

Man that is good cuzza and extremely reasonable. There's even a bar right next door as well, all very friendly and lovely. We had a great time, let me know if you ever fancy meeting up if you're close. :)
holy shit, a Waitrose as well now.

I lived there until 2005 or something. Best it had then was the Seafarer (wayfarer?) chippy. I mean there was that place on the corner near all the estate agents but it never seemed to be open.

Now I live down Brum way, but thanks for the offer.


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Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

Like black people liking watermelon? Or Jews being greedy?

I thought better of you, mate.


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Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

Like black people liking watermelon? Or Jews being greedy?

I thought better of you, mate.


I thought we were heading towards singing this.

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Remember this sign from a while back? No?
Well, to refresh:

Parking behind the CoOp was 20 mins free. Then signs and ANPR appeared, and you had to type car reg in to get 20 free minutes. Many didn't, and were fined as per T&Cs.

Anyhoo, I dropped a note to local counciller and local MP over the signs not being terribly clear. Counciller responded and he had passed it over to MP. So, MP raises the issue in Parliament, and sends me half a dozen letters with copies of his correspondance with the council solicitors, parking ombudsman and other people.

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THE operator of a controversial car park has been ordered to shut it down and refund thousands of pounds in fines slapped on unsuspecting motorists.

Bradford Council took the dramatic step after receiving a host of complaints about the way private car park company Smart Parking was running the site at Oastler Road, Saltaire.

The authority was able to step in after discovering that the patch of land had never legally been turned into a car park and was still part of the public highway.

But in doing so, the Council has also had to hold its hands up to running the car park illegally itself for more than a decade, and now faces a major refund programme of its own.


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... ial_fines/

Which is amazing. And has amused me.

So, I think P Davies will do OK in an election, again, as he's shown himself to be looking after community interests, especially as the council is a Labour run one and fingers can be pointed.

EXCITING CAR PARK UPDATE


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _launched/



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Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw, the Council’s executive member for regeneration, planning and transport, said: “We have started negotiations with the company, Saltaire Investments, and we are helping them to clarify the highway status of the land.

“As the car park is still operating illegally, we have also served a notice on the company to remove the car parking equipment from the site.


Not sure if I'm meant to type car reg in anymore or not, but it looks like a proper car park still.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _car_park/

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THE operators of a controversial car park which was ordered to shut down appear to be fighting back.

Private car park company Smart Parking has drawn anger from motorists over the way it has been handing out fines at Oastler Road car park in Saltaire.

The furore prompted Bradford Council to declare the site unlawful and serve a notice ordering the car park to close by November 24.

But in an apparent act of defiance against this notice, the company has now lodged a retrospective planning application for its parking signs, in a move one councillor branded “hilarious”.


Amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

Like black people liking watermelon? Or Jews being greedy?

I thought better of you, mate.


I don't know why black people would be offended with that. Watermelon is great.

In "Master of None", Aziz makes a big deal about being offended and deconstructing stereotypes, one being that Indian people are usually scientists and shop owners. This is a great stereotype! I wish people from my country had the stereotype of being scientists, instead of being joyless humourless creatures that only care about work (brazilian stereotype).

There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.


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There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.


I'm not exactly crying myself to sleep over this every night, but I still maintain that the concept of pigeon-holing an entire race, or social/gender group into Box A or Category B (they're all bright/lazy/tight-fisted whatever), regardless of whether supposedly 'positive' or 'not offensive', is ultimately incredibly wrong-headed, close-minded, lazy and demeaning. Further, I'd argue that precisely this very same sentiment lies at the root of far worse things, such as xenophobia, bigotry and outright racism.

The incongruity of it all, in these more enlightened times, is prominent indeed. It's not 1977 anymore, and we need to stop labeling people.

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I lived there until 2005 or something. Best it had then was the Seafarer (wayfarer?) chippy. I mean there was that place on the corner near all the estate agents but it never seemed to be open.

Now I live down Brum way, but thanks for the offer.


Heh! The Seafarer chippy is still there mate, but they seem to use minging oil or something which always turns my stomach :(
My *first date* with Mrs C was in Northwich, 1995.... at the Emperors Court Chinese restaurant, we had 'the Emperor's Banquet' top set meal and it was amazeballs, we ended up taking most of it home there was that much of it, the girls finished it off! Sadly it's recently been knocked down and a bloody McDonalds has taken its place. :(

I've promised her a 20 McNugget Sharebox on our 25th anniversary :D

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I like Northwich. It's changed a hell of a lot over the last few years. The kids love the new swimming pool though.


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I see on Twitter that our lovely PM went to a banquet last night to celebrate Paul Dacre's 25 years as editor of the Daily Mail. What an absolute shower of fucking lowlife shit.


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I liked your original post. It made me think of this as a vivid description of Mrs May's current situation:

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I've promised her a 20 McNugget Sharebox on our 25th anniversary :D


Because when you're done with the legs and the breast, there's a box to stick the bon-(it's a different time now, MaliA - Ed)

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There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.


I'm not exactly crying myself to sleep over this every night, but I still maintain that the concept of pigeon-holing an entire race, or social/gender group into Box A or Category B (they're all bright/lazy/tight-fisted whatever), regardless of whether supposedly 'positive' or 'not offensive', is ultimately incredibly wrong-headed, close-minded, lazy and demeaning. Further, I'd argue that precisely this very same sentiment lies at the root of far worse things, such as xenophobia, bigotry and outright racism.

The incongruity of it all, in these more enlightened times, is prominent indeed. It's not 1977 anymore, and we need to stop labeling people.


I quite agree.

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BBC: "Alex Salmond: Trump 'broke Scots investment promises'"

I think your mistake was trusting Donald Trump, Alex.


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I've promised her a 20 McNugget Sharebox on our 25th anniversary :D


Because when you're done with the legs and the breast, there's a box to stick the bon-(it's a different time now, MaliA - Ed)


Yeah, going to Maccies afterwards is a good call. :D

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BBC: "Alex Salmond: Trump 'broke Scots investment promises'"

I think your mistake was trusting Donald Trump, Alex.


"Alex Salmond: Trump has a huge credibility problem"

Oh man, the ironing. :DD

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we need to stop labeling people.

That would cause chaos in hospitals.

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There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.


I'm not exactly crying myself to sleep over this every night, but I still maintain that the concept of pigeon-holing an entire race, or social/gender group into Box A or Category B (they're all bright/lazy/tight-fisted whatever), regardless of whether supposedly 'positive' or 'not offensive', is ultimately incredibly wrong-headed, close-minded, lazy and demeaning. Further, I'd argue that precisely this very same sentiment lies at the root of far worse things, such as xenophobia, bigotry and outright racism.

The incongruity of it all, in these more enlightened times, is prominent indeed. It's not 1977 anymore, and we need to stop labeling people.


I find this fundamentalist view as completely counter-productive. There's a massive difference between labelling a gypsy as a thief and a briton as a tea-drinker. You know how the americans joke that canadians are overly polite? How can that even be offensive or wrong? How can you argue to someone to stop joking about something that ultimately harms absolutely no one?


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It's the principle of by-default attributing labels and assumptions to entire groups of people on the basis of where they are from, the colour of their skin, their social class, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whether they like Union Jacks, their age, their accent. For a start, it's demonstrably bollocks, because there will be huge diversity of attributes among large groups and populations of people, but its not the lack of veracity that I have a problem with, it's the offence that will be caused. You say oh well, no-one would take offence at A or B, but I'm afraid that's a very subjective matter. It's not a case of being "counter productive", and to say it harms no-one is naive in the extreme I'm afraid.

Like I've also said, I don't like the underpinning "othering" sentiment either, because basically that's precisely what lies at the root of far, far worse things as well, such as nationalism for instance.

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I see on Twitter that our lovely PM went to a banquet last night to celebrate Paul Dacre's 25 years as editor of the Daily Mail. What an absolute shower of fucking lowlife shit.


I enjoyed Ed Miliband's response to that on Twitter
https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/928383407796744192


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It's the principle of by-default attributing labels and assumptions to entire groups of people on the basis of where they are from, the colour of their skin, their social class, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whether they like Union Jacks, their age, their accent. For a start, it's demonstrably bollocks, because there will be huge diversity of attributes among large groups and populations of people, but its not the lack of veracity that I have a problem with, it's the offence that will be caused. You say oh well, no-one would take offence at A or B, but I'm afraid that's a very subjective matter. It's not a case of being "counter productive", and to say it harms no-one is naive in the extreme I'm afraid.

Like I've also said, I don't like the underpinning "othering" sentiment either, because basically that's precisely what lies at the root of far, far worse things as well.


I do believe that will all the migrations and globalisation the concept of stereotyping will erode itself and eventually cease to exist. But expecting that change to occur by sheer force of will is like expecting people to stop smoking suddenly because 50 years ago they learned that could kill them.

Also, if everyone had your view we couldn't have Seinfeld or Asterix comic books.


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I'm not saying I expect the change to occur (because: human nature), merely that I think it sucks

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I do believe that will all the migrations and globalisation the concept of stereotyping will erode itself and eventually cease to exist.

Looks like the racist elements in all societies are voting to prevent this even more these days.

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It's the principle of by-default attributing labels and assumptions to entire groups of people on the basis of where they are from, the colour of their skin, their social class, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whether they like Union Jacks, their age, their accent. For a start, it's demonstrably bollocks, because there will be huge diversity of attributes among large groups and populations of people, but its not the lack of veracity that I have a problem with, it's the offence that will be caused. You say oh well, no-one would take offence at A or B, but I'm afraid that's a very subjective matter. It's not a case of being "counter productive", and to say it harms no-one is naive in the extreme I'm afraid.

Like I've also said, I don't like the underpinning "othering" sentiment either, because basically that's precisely what lies at the root of far, far worse things as well, such as nationalism for instance.


Genetic diversity decreases the farther from West Africa one travels, interestingly.

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It's the principle of by-default attributing labels and assumptions to entire groups of people on the basis of where they are from, the colour of their skin, their social class, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whether they like Union Jacks, their age, their accent. For a start, it's demonstrably bollocks, because there will be huge diversity of attributes among large groups and populations of people, but its not the lack of veracity that I have a problem with, it's the offence that will be caused. You say oh well, no-one would take offence at A or B, but I'm afraid that's a very subjective matter. It's not a case of being "counter productive", and to say it harms no-one is naive in the extreme I'm afraid.

Like I've also said, I don't like the underpinning "othering" sentiment either, because basically that's precisely what lies at the root of far, far worse things as well, such as nationalism for instance.


Genetic diversity decreases the farther from West Africa one travels, interestingly.

Is that true in say, Vancouver? Or Sydney?


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It's the principle of by-default attributing labels and assumptions to entire groups of people on the basis of where they are from, the colour of their skin, their social class, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whether they like Union Jacks, their age, their accent. For a start, it's demonstrably bollocks, because there will be huge diversity of attributes among large groups and populations of people, but its not the lack of veracity that I have a problem with, it's the offence that will be caused. You say oh well, no-one would take offence at A or B, but I'm afraid that's a very subjective matter. It's not a case of being "counter productive", and to say it harms no-one is naive in the extreme I'm afraid.

Like I've also said, I don't like the underpinning "othering" sentiment either, because basically that's precisely what lies at the root of far, far worse things as well, such as nationalism for instance.


Genetic diversity decreases the farther from West Africa one travels, interestingly.

Is that true in say, Vancouver? Or Sydney?


Yeah the was SCIENCE on it, and there was a STRAIGHT LINE GRAPH, which for biology is very rare so tremendously exciting. I think it was published in Cell. Which is an IMPORTANT JOUNAL (I've not been in that one)

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I do believe that will all the migrations and globalisation the concept of stereotyping will erode itself and eventually cease to exist.

Looks like the racist elements in all societies are voting to prevent this even more these days.


I don't think that will happen on a global scale. Migrations (and not necessarily mass migrations from impoverished areas) are good for capitalism.

And stereotyping, unlike what seems Cavey's view, is highly flexible and changeable. It depends on each country context towards another and that particular era and changes rapidly.


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...whether they like Union Jacks...


I'm very happy with Union Jacks, but I hereby reserve my right to totally judge people who like Nazi or Confederate flags.


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It's the principle of by-default attributing labels and assumptions to entire groups of people on the basis of where they are from, the colour of their skin, their social class, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whether they like Union Jacks, their age, their accent. For a start, it's demonstrably bollocks, because there will be huge diversity of attributes among large groups and populations of people, but its not the lack of veracity that I have a problem with, it's the offence that will be caused. You say oh well, no-one would take offence at A or B, but I'm afraid that's a very subjective matter. It's not a case of being "counter productive", and to say it harms no-one is naive in the extreme I'm afraid.

Like I've also said, I don't like the underpinning "othering" sentiment either, because basically that's precisely what lies at the root of far, far worse things as well, such as nationalism for instance.


Genetic diversity decreases the farther from West Africa one travels, interestingly.

Is that true in say, Vancouver? Or Sydney?


Yeah the was SCIENCE on it, and there was a STRAIGHT LINE GRAPH, which for biology is very rare so tremendously exciting. I think it was published in Cell. Which is an IMPORTANT JOUNAL (I've not been in that one)


Not that hard to believe. I worked at an african country (Mozambique) and it was indeed surprising how different people looked between each village, some just 50km from each other (and this isn't even west africa!). If one african from that region came and drove from Lisbon, to Barcelona, Marseille and Rome he would go "They all look the same to me".


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