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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 16:01 
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In fairness to her most people who fly massive England flags actually are, more often than not, complete fucking bellends.


And I don't know where Rochester is.


The attic.

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MaliA wrote:
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In fairness to her most people who fly massive England flags actually are, more often than not, complete fucking bellends.


And I don't know where Rochester is.


Medway. Or upper state New York. But most likely the former in this case.

Has a great castle. I did a parade there once and got hilariously drunk.


I thought Runcorn was in London.


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Let's check in with the state of sanity in the US population.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ers-215800

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All this, perhaps, is not so surprising, considering polling continues to show that—in spite of unprecedented unpopularity—nearly all people who voted for Trump would do it again. But as I compared this year’s answers to last year’s responses it seemed clear that the basis of people’s support had morphed. Johnstown voters do not intend to hold the president accountable for the nonnegotiable pledges he made to them. It’s not that the people who made Trump president have generously moved the goalposts for him. It’s that they have eliminated the goalposts altogether.

This reality ought to get the attention of anyone who thinks they will win in 2018 or 2020 by running against Trump’s record. His supporters here, it turns out, are energized by his bombast and his animus more than any actual accomplishments. For them, it’s evidently not what he’s doing so much as it is the people he’s fighting. Trump is simply and unceasingly angry on their behalf, battling the people who vex them the worst—“obstructionist” Democrats, uncooperative establishment Republicans, the media, Black Lives Matter protesters and NFL players (boy oh boy do they hate kneeling NFL players) whom they see as ungrateful, disrespectful millionaires.

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“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”

I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.

Del Signore was surprised to hear this.

“Does he?” he said.

“Yes,” I said.

He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”

Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”


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In fairness to her most people who fly massive England flags actually are, more often than not, complete fucking bellends.


There are worse bellends than those earnestly and demonstrably, yet benignly patriotic, old school types. Much worse...
At least they're not pretending to be anything else; there's a certain authenticity and honesty about it. (I'll be waving my Union Jack this coming Sunday, though doubtless that's The Wrong Thing To Do around here ;) )

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You've clearly run into a different group of massive England flag flyers than I have! In my experience, a huge England flag permanently flying on your house is a pretty good signifier for someone who says "I just say it how I see it" but is in actual fact rude and obnoxious.


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There's a very big difference between flying a flag for remembrance and flying one out of your window all year round because you wish it was 1966 again when you could beat your kids and there weren't so many brown people.

It's a stereotype, for sure, but it's a stereotype of a very real chunk of the population. Particularly in the Medway area.

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If they fly them when there's no sporting event on at the time then they're a cunt.

If they fly them when there's a sporting event on at the time then they're a twat.

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You've clearly run into a different group of massive England flag flyers than I have! In my experience, a huge England flag permanently flying on your house is a pretty good signifier for someone who says "I just say it how I see it" but is in actual fact rude and obnoxious.

And racist.

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There's a very big difference between flying a flag for remembrance and flying one out of your window all year round because you wish it was 1966 again when you could beat your kids and there weren't so many brown people.

It's a stereotype, for sure, but it's a stereotype of a very real chunk of the population. Particularly in the Medway area.


Clearly I'm not defending what you describe but you can't stereotype/tar all with the same brush. One of my best mates - with whom I spent a very enjoyable evening at a curry house in Northwich this very weekend past - has said flag pole in his front garden AND drives a Transit, albeit it's silver :D He's a great guy and a very good mate who I know for a fact I could rely on in any tight spot about 10,000 times more than anyone here and he's never bitched about me or called me behind my back either. I doubt he even knows what Twitter is.

Regardless, my own pet hate are Champagne Socialists like Thornberry with her nose raised up in the air, her multi-million pound property portfolio in Islington, her QC husband and all the rest..... 'Labour' huh? If you were to home in on all the manifold things that are wrong with the Labour Party and have been for decades, one of them most surely be this utter lack of authenticity. What do people like her know about struggling to pay the bills and keeping a roof over you & yours heads, working hard for a pittance in unfair conditions, with nothing but a third-rate education? I hate Labour as an organisation but the essential aims and reasons for its being are entirely laudable; it's just a shame they can't get the staff and their credibility left the building by the early 70s.

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Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.


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Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.


:this:

It's crass stereotyping. Not everyone has had the benefit of people like Thornberry's resources, very expensive legal training or the expertise of her peers, when honing their social graces.

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Clearly I'm not defending what you describe but you can't stereotype/tar [people who fly the Union Flag all year around] with the same brush.

I think maybe you can nowadays. It's so well-known that the Union Flag is used as a symbol for utter cuntery that people flying one (sporting events / proms* aside) are making a conscious decision to fly one anyway.

And maybe - in their head - it's for "good" reasons; after all, why should we have to give up our flag because of cunts? We live in the damned country, we should be proud of it. And they're totally right.

However, right now, having a flag flying may actively cause people to feel uncomfortable, and almost certainly puts you in the "hard brexit, making Britain British again" camp and for that reason - in my opinion - says a lot about the person doing it.

It shouldn't, but it does.


* Although the amount of European flags this year was most pleasing.

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Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.


Oh god, absolutely. But your Oxford educated millionaire racist is less likely to advertise that fact with a bloody great england flag hanging out of a window.

As I said, it's a stereotype, and apologies to those like Cavey's mate who are unfairly tarred.

With respect to the folks in parliament who don't know what it's like to be working class, that's a factor of the system. Partly that it's a case of who you know rather than what you know, and partly the fact that it's expensive to enter politics.

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Well, it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable, but then I've never cared much about what the Chatterati as it were think of me. :shrug:

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Fair enough, but sadly it is a stereotype that exists, and in my experience on that has some basis in truth. Unfortunately if you hang a big England flag from your window, some people will form a certain opinion of you - and not just Islington millionaires either.


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Northwich has a curry house now?


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Northwich has a curry house now?


It does! An *awesome* one mate :)

http://bombayquaynorthwich.co.uk/


Man that is good cuzza and extremely reasonable. There's even a bar right next door as well, all very friendly and lovely. We had a great time, let me know if you ever fancy meeting up if you're close. :)

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Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


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One of my best mates - with whom I spent a very enjoyable evening at a curry house in Northwich this very weekend past

That sounds dangerously close to "I'm not racist, I'm always going out for a curry!" :D

(not having a dig there btw, just making a joke)

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One of my best mates - with whom I spent a very enjoyable evening at a curry house in Northwich this very weekend past

That sounds dangerously close to "I'm not racist, I'm always going out for a curry!" :D

(not having a dig there btw, just making a joke)


:D

Made me laugh at any rate! :)

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One thing about moving to the depths of wildest Summerzet is that I miss the range of restaurants. Decent curry can be hard to find out here. Can't move for tasty cider though!


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One thing about moving to the depths of wildest Summerzet is that I miss the range of restaurants. Decent curry can be hard to find out here. Can't move for tasty cider though!


Heh, I lived in Weston for 6 years and was converted to the delights of cider, especially in summer. :)

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Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.


:this:

It's crass stereotyping. Not everyone has had the benefit of people like Thornberry's resources, very expensive legal training or the expertise of her peers, when honing their social graces.

I don't know much about Emily Thornberry apart from what I just googled but I'm absolutely not stereotyping working class people. I live in a pretty working class kind of place, it's not like there's England flags all over the place.

And you know it's also just possible that in her 20 years as a human rights barrister that she came across all sorts of people and got a fair measure of them. Certainly I'd be more inclined to listen to a single fucking word she has to say than Boris fucking Johnson etc. even if that tweet was misjudged.


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I've with Myp on this; saying that in her 20 years as a Barrister she's got a 'fair measure of people' and can stereotype accordingly, with impunity, is just all wrong, and frankly rather offensive (to me at any rate).

Can't see anyone defending Boris Johnson here either, what's he got to do with it? Saying someone or something isn't as bad as him doesn't strike me as a very effective defence (classic whataboutery), but then I do lack Ms Thornberry's credentials.... :D

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Saying someone or something isn't as bad as him doesn't strike me as a very effective defence

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I lived in Weston for 6 years and

I call bullshit. Based on our forensic pathologist mate's stats no-one is in Weston for more than half a day without getting stabbed or shot to death.


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Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

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