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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 16:46 
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Ahh apologies, someone thrust it at me as new this morning and I didn't check it before sharing it for the more intelligent folk to dissect. :DD

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Ahh apologies, someone thrust it at me as new this morning and I didn't check it before sharing it for the more intelligent folk to dissect. :DD


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/longfo ... e-revenge/

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Osborne seems to reserve his choicest weapons for Theresa May, the beleaguered prime minister. On his first day as editor, the front page of the Standard announced "Brussels twists knife on Brexit [as] EU chief mocks PM May with her own 'Strong and Stable' leadership slogan". The attacks on May have become only more intense since then. (One clinical sentence in a Standard editorial from 21 June simply read: "Enough of this nonsense.") Osborne's animus against May is complicated in origin — personal, political, ideological, tactical — but purely felt. When I met him at the Standard this past spring, he was polite enough about the prime minister. But according to one staffer at the newspaper, Osborne has told more than one person that he will not rest until she "is chopped up in bags in my freezer".


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Yes, he's really quite the simmering ball of resentment and jealousy, huh.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Theresa May should take up the editorship of the 'Metro' in response. It'd be quite fun see their quarrels and name-calling spread out on the seats of the Underground every day.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:47 
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A moment of levity in the House of Lords:

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The Lord Bishop of Chester:
Do the Government have any concerns about the breeding of those Members of your Lordships’ House who wear dog collars?

Lord Gardiner of Kimble:

I hope that the right reverend Prelate knows very well that I am very fond of dogs. I have very good relations with many right reverend Prelates and work very closely with the rural Bishops on many issues concerning the countryside.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/9 ... 2958895104

Ken Clarke was superb on R4 this morning. It's a complete contrast to when Labour throw up someone from their front bench. The one last week was terrible, when questioned about Unions threatening illegal strikes.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Ken Clarke isn't on the front bench is he?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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No it was poorly worded

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... mim-bigzad

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/19/home-secretary-courts-amber-rudd-deport-samim-bigzad

This is very important.


Yes. And sickening.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Yes. And sickening.

Fucking disgraceful, although hardly surprising given that May had a lot of form for this sort of thing as home secretary and now she's in the big chair. Pretty logical Rudd would continue along the same road.


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Deplorable. Glad he's back, the guy must have been absolutely fucking terrified.

Is there no comeback for Rudd for going against the rulings several times?

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Shocking! She is a serial failure, mind you, (Private Eyes passim, as they say) so not a huge surprise. Not that predictability makes it less shocking.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Must admit I have to agree with everyone else here, that's deplorable and an insult to this Country's fine tradition in respect of providing a safe haven for refugees fleeing for their lives (my own father one of them in 1957).

Bloody disgraceful; the Conservatives have always been the party of law and order; not sure where this farce leaves them to be honest. At this rate I'm going to hate them as much as everyone else.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Bloody disgraceful; the Conservatives have always been the party of law and order

According to that article, they've got previous form - Kenneth Clarke did something similar in 1991 apparently.

I don't disagree with you, although I'd probably reword it to "have always been the party of law and order, when it suits them" ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I suppose if you go back 30 years you can dig any amount of shit about any party, ever.
I'm talking specifically about the post-Brexit Conservative Party; the here and now.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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So when you said "the Conservatives have always been", you were "talking specifically about the post-Brexit Conservative Party"?

It's okay to for the political party you support (or once supported) to be crap. It has to be, because they all are.

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I suppose if you go back 30 years you can dig any amount of shit about any party, ever.
I'm talking specifically about the post-Brexit Conservative Party; the here and now.

Not sure that the Police would agree tbh.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I'm not sure that the Police would agree that the Conservatives are the party of law and order.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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So when you said "the Conservatives have always been", you were "talking specifically about the post-Brexit Conservative Party"?

It's okay to for the political party you support (or once supported) to be crap. It has to be, because they all are.


Where does that rabbit hole end though? I believe in small c Conservatism as a generic politics; this does not necessarily mean I'm a "Conservative Party Supporter" (we've been here before, many times). If we're talking UK political parties, I look at recent form. I utterly deplore the Conservatives over Brexit and have said so many times; doesn't sound very much like a blinkered "supporter" to me, unlike some I could mention. But, not unreasonably given that most of the actual PLP agreed with me in words and actions these last few months, I believe that Corbyn's Labour is considerably worse again, so it's like comparing a small turd with a big one?

If I'm going to go back 30 years, or even 15 years, this shit is awful but it doesn't compare to going to an illegal war (now that's contempt of court) which resulted in hundreds of thousands of people being incinerated or blown to pieces off the back of a false premise (or worse), or failing to regulate our globally massively significant Financial Sector very largely involved with the greatest global crash of all time, whose reverberations continue loud and clear 9 year on, resulting in severe loss of livelihoods and deprivations of many millions.

I choose to pour my criticism on any political party whom I think is deserving of it and regardless of any of my many detractors trying to beat me with a stick over it; couldn't care less tbh. On this occasion and of late, the Consrvative Party is in the frame.

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The current Conservative party and the media that are propping up the right of that party are conducting a constant campaign of boosting the legislative branch and attempting to undermine the judicial branch - the campaign against Gina Millar and the judges who ruled in her favour, the home secretary ignoring lawful court orders, the repeal bill power grab. It's blatant and shameful.

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I'm disappointed that the Guardian haven't quoted him directly, as I have no desire to go searching for videos of Donald Trump, but I would really worry if he actually said this and also thinks this is happening:

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Trump said this was because drug dealers are currently using catapults to send 100 pound bags of drugs over the existing concrete wall and they are landing on people’s heads in the United States.


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Reading the scrolly Guardian live feed thing, it appears John McDonnell is pledging to end the use of the Private Finance Initiative. This is something I support. It never felt right that vital infrastructure such as schools and hospitals could be forced to pay millions every year for a very long time on loans that were worse than what the government could get (Eyes Passim).


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Country we are not in a customs union with places punitive tariff on key industry in deprived area.

He really must be pissed off on not getting that carriage ride with Brenda.


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Corbyn will insist the policies in Labour’s manifesto, some of which have been fleshed out at the conference, are the “new common sense” in British politics.

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Argh! I really, really despise politicians saying something is 'common sense'. It's up there with 'that's the cost of 3 billion nurses for the NHS' on my list of annoying political phrases.


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