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Author: | devilman [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:05 ] |
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LewieP wrote: Clarkson will theoretically be 80. He might still be around. Daily Mash |
Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:06 ] |
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If we're in imaginary world you might as well imagine them too. |
Author: | Squirt [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:08 ] |
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Elon Musk's underground vacuum tubes will be everywhere by then. You'll be fired in a capsule at 7 times the speed of sound to exactly where you want to go! |
Author: | Cras [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:09 ] |
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I'm powerful lazy. I wouldn't teleport myself anywhere, I'd just teleport cool stuff to me. |
Author: | markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:09 ] |
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I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:11 ] |
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markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. Yeah, that happened to Gaywood, already. He's a robot now. |
Author: | devilman [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:13 ] |
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Grim... wrote: If we're in imaginary world you might as well imagine them too. I don't really go anywhere, so I'm saving my imagination for other stuff. |
Author: | Findus Fop [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:19 ] |
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Squirt wrote: Elon Musk's underground vacuum tubes will be everywhere by then. You'll be fired in a capsule at 7 times the speed of sound to exactly where you want to go! Imagine being the first member of the public to die in a Musk-Tube accident. It feels like a very unedifying way to go. You'll be like a chewed up Pepparami in a Fleshlight. |
Author: | myp [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:24 ] |
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markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. It's a good philosophical question. |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:26 ] |
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Findus Fop wrote: You'll be like a chewed up Pepparami in a Fleshlight. Better than standard class on Crosscountry. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:30 ] |
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markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. I've often wondered about that. A true teleporter that actually sends You (capital Y) instead of just a reanimated copy of you would need to break down your matter into energy and send the actual energy to be reassembled. If it was just scanning every atom and rebuilding it from raw material at the other end, then does it just annihilate the original? Imagine the Scene: The first time a Starfleet officer uses a transporter. "ENGAGE" The machine whirrs, lights flash and... nothing. The officer remains where he was. A technician comes out of a side room. "Hello, Ensign. The machine has cloned you and sent a copy to your destination. You, the original, are no longer required for the mission. Here are you discharge papers and a ticket for your return journey by shuttle. Have a nice life!" All of the Star Trek characters are just copies of the originals, who are living it up on Riza. |
Author: | markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:32 ] |
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Perhaps in future times they'll have uncovered the secrets of consciousness and those questions would no longer be philosophical. You won't catch me in one, though. I'll tell you that! |
Author: | Kern [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:34 ] |
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markg wrote: Perhaps in future times they'll have uncovered the secrets of consciousness and those questions would no longer be philosophical. You won't catch me in one, though. I'll tell you that! The real 'you' would be pickled in a jar on a shelf in a warehouse, controlling the physical 'you' via the matrix. |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:35 ] |
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markg wrote: Perhaps in future times they'll have uncovered the secrets of consciousness and those questions would no longer be philosophical. You won't catch me in one, though. I'll tell you that! No, because I'd really rather my mind and thoughts and feelings couldn't be boiled down to an algorthim. It'd make it all somewhat pointless. |
Author: | Trousers [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:35 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. I've often wondered about that. A true teleporter that actually sends You (capital Y) instead of just a reanimated copy of you would need to break down your matter into energy and send the actual energy to be reassembled. If it was just scanning every atom and rebuilding it from raw material at the other end, then does it just annihilate the original? Imagine the Scene: The first time a Starfleet officer uses a transporter. "ENGAGE" The machine whirrs, lights flash and... nothing. The officer remains where he was. A technician comes out of a side room. "Hello, Ensign. The machine has cloned you and sent a copy to your destination. You, the original, are no longer required for the mission. Here are you discharge papers and a ticket for your return journey by shuttle. Have a nice life!" All of the Star Trek characters are just copies of the originals, who are living it up on Riza. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Ch ... Generation) for duplicate Star Trek folk caused by transporters. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:36 ] |
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Thread split? |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:36 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Thread split? Make it so |
Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:37 ] |
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markg wrote: Perhaps in future times they'll have uncovered the secrets of consciousness and those questions would no longer be philosophical. You won't catch me in one, though. I'll tell you that! Stick to your electric bathtub mate. |
Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:39 ] |
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The future will be about remote manipulation rather than sending yourself somewhere. You heard. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:41 ] |
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Zardoz wrote: The future will be about remote manipulation rather than sending yourself somewhere. You heard. Telepresence, in VR, with full immersion. Better than life, you might say. |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:45 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Zardoz wrote: The future will be about remote manipulation rather than sending yourself somewhere. You heard. Telepresence, in VR, with full immersion. Better than life, you might say. More human than human |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:48 ] |
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MaliA wrote: DavPaz wrote: Zardoz wrote: The future will be about remote manipulation rather than sending yourself somewhere. You heard. Telepresence, in VR, with full immersion. Better than life, you might say. More human than human Monorail! |
Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:50 ] |
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Clever girl. |
Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:50 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Zardoz wrote: The future will be about remote manipulation rather than sending yourself somewhere. You heard. Telepresence, in VR, with full immersion. Better than life, you might say. Unless they add Ed Sheeran. |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:56 ] |
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Zardoz wrote: DavPaz wrote: Zardoz wrote: The future will be about remote manipulation rather than sending yourself somewhere. You heard. Telepresence, in VR, with full immersion. Better than life, you might say. Unless they add Ed Sheeran. I dunno, I'd happily fully immerse Ed Sheeran. |
Author: | Squirt [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:58 ] |
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Findus Fop wrote: Squirt wrote: Elon Musk's underground vacuum tubes will be everywhere by then. You'll be fired in a capsule at 7 times the speed of sound to exactly where you want to go! Imagine being the first member of the public to die in a Musk-Tube accident. It feels like a very unedifying way to go. You'll be like a chewed up Pepparami in a Fleshlight. I imagine it just spraying you out the other end in a sort-of aerosol mist. The controllers would know you'd hit a loose access panel half the way along but wouldn't be able to stop you, and so would just continue pumping you through the tube. |
Author: | markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 14:59 ] |
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MaliA wrote: markg wrote: Perhaps in future times they'll have uncovered the secrets of consciousness and those questions would no longer be philosophical. You won't catch me in one, though. I'll tell you that! No, because I'd really rather my mind and thoughts and feelings couldn't be boiled down to an algorthim. It'd make it all somewhat pointless. I've given it a fair bit of thought on and off and I think I've decided that we're just made of algorithms, our consciousness is little more than a rollercoaster ride and free will is an illusion. You heard it here first. |
Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:02 ] |
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Of course, if souls don't exist and there's no afterlife, what are we but crudely animated sacks of meat? |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:03 ] |
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Squirt wrote: Findus Fop wrote: Squirt wrote: Elon Musk's underground vacuum tubes will be everywhere by then. You'll be fired in a capsule at 7 times the speed of sound to exactly where you want to go! Imagine being the first member of the public to die in a Musk-Tube accident. It feels like a very unedifying way to go. You'll be like a chewed up Pepparami in a Fleshlight. I imagine it just spraying you out the other end in a sort-of aerosol mist. The controllers would know you'd hit a loose access panel half the way along but wouldn't be able to stop you, and so would just continue pumping you through the tube. I think it's fair to say the technical and safety issues of having a vacuum tube that long are pretty much insurmountable. |
Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:05 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Of course, if souls don't exist and there's no afterlife, what are we but crudely animated sacks of meat? I have the grace of a gazelle. |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:05 ] |
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MaliA wrote: DavPaz wrote: Of course, if souls don't exist and there's no afterlife, what are we but crudely animated sacks of meat? I have the grace of a gazelle. Monorail! |
Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:09 ] |
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markg wrote: ...our consciousness is little more than a rollercoaster ride and free will is an illusion. Yeah, that whale was totally CG. |
Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:41 ] |
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markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. It's one of the ways they might work, for sure - scan you down to your atoms, break you down into mulch, and build a new you somewhere else. The important thing to consider here is that what's stopping it not destroying the original, or building fifty copies? Serious restrictions and rules, I guess, but hackers will get in there eventually. Also there's the religious angle to consider - if you're dying, what does that mean for, well, practically every religion that exists? Can you teleport a soul? |
Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:42 ] |
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I appear to have missed, well, lots of posts. I'm not entirely sure how. |
Author: | devilman [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:53 ] |
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Grim... wrote: I appear to have missed, well, lots of posts. I'm not entirely sure how. Your teleporter seems to do time travel too. |
Author: | markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:59 ] |
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Grim... wrote: markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. It's one of the ways they might work, for sure - scan you down to your atoms, break you down into mulch, and build a new you somewhere else. The important thing to consider here is that what's stopping it not destroying the original, or building fifty copies? Serious restrictions and rules, I guess, but hackers will get in there eventually. Imagine if you had a machine in your house and you kept getting spammed with Ed Sheerans. |
Author: | Squirt [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 17:30 ] |
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Imagine a horrific real life version of "The Fly" where you and Ed Sheeran accidentally get into a transporter together and your DNA is fused. |
Author: | Curiosity [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 18:37 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. It's a good philosophical question. In the China Mieville book, 'Kraken', there's a character who has the ability to teleport a la Star Trek, and he is permanently haunted by the ghosts of his dead past selves, as every time he transports it does indeed kill him and build a new 'him'. |
Author: | markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:06 ] |
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What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die. |
Author: | myp [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:12 ] |
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markg wrote: What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die. In the same body? |
Author: | myp [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:12 ] |
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Curiosity wrote: Lonewolves wrote: markg wrote: I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell. It's a good philosophical question. In the China Mieville book, 'Kraken', there's a character who has the ability to teleport a la Star Trek, and he is permanently haunted by the ghosts of his dead past selves, as every time he transports it does indeed kill him and build a new 'him'. Sounds interesting. I may have to read it. |
Author: | markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:27 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: markg wrote: What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die. In the same body? Yeah, what is individual consciousness except the experience of having had an unbroken stream of experiences, of always having been you. What if every time the activity within the bits of the brain that cause consciousness stops and then starts up again it's like rebooting a computer the actual "you" stopped when you nodded off, then some other identical cunt wakes up the next day with all the same memories utterly convinced that all that stuff happened to them. |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:39 ] |
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I do like China Mieville, but haven't read any of his stuff for a while - will give that a go! |
Author: | BikNorton [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:58 ] |
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Grim... wrote: I appear to have missed, well, lots of posts. I'm not entirely sure how. The same way I lost a post yesterday? ”there are new posts, check them!" "Yes yes, post" "here is the thread without your post!" |
Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 20:24 ] |
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markg wrote: Lonewolves wrote: markg wrote: What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die. In the same body? Yeah, what is individual consciousness except the experience of having had an unbroken stream of experiences, of always having been you. What if every time the activity within the bits of the brain that cause consciousness stops and then starts up again it's like rebooting a computer the actual "you" stopped when you nodded off, then some other identical cunt wakes up the next day with all the same memories utterly convinced that all that stuff happened to them. Giphy "woah": https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o6ZsWDJzc8NlMG8zm/giphy-loop.mp4 |
Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 20:52 ] |
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Seriously though, thread split |
Author: | myp [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 20:53 ] |
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markg wrote: Lonewolves wrote: markg wrote: What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die. In the same body? Yeah, what is individual consciousness except the experience of having had an unbroken stream of experiences, of always having been you. What if every time the activity within the bits of the brain that cause consciousness stops and then starts up again it's like rebooting a computer the actual "you" stopped when you nodded off, then some other identical cunt wakes up the next day with all the same memories utterly convinced that all that stuff happened to them. I'm not sure it matters, effectively. However if my life stops because my atoms have been incinerated and someone else takes over at the other end, that's when I'd be annoyed. |
Author: | MaliA [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:08 ] |
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http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/ Melanie Phillips on the, frankly, fucking awful Gard case. Worth a read. |
Author: | LewieP [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:11 ] |
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Freedom of movement to end in March 2019. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40734504 |
Author: | MrChris [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:17 ] |
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MaliA wrote: http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/ Melanie Phillips on the, frankly, fucking awful Gard case. Worth a read. Melanie.Phillips. |
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