"We don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore - and they won't be."

Do you hate any male politicians?

Yes. Many. Mainly Tory ones, some Labour , most Liberal democrats. The targets of my annoyance are generally those that have been on R4 that morning. They should put Thought for the day on at 0825. That'd cool my jets.

Ever switch over to the Third?

Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time.

The call was made in recent weeks, according to a Downing Street adviser who was in the room. The statement surprised May, according to those present.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The fuck am I meant to do with all these piss balloons now?

A Downing Street spokesman said: "We aren't going to comment on speculation about the contents of private phone conversations.

"The Queen extended an invitation to President Trump to visit the UK and there is no change to those plans."

Rather than pull human rights, might be better to push building regulations.

Rather than pull human rights, might be better to push building regulations.

Tories voted against it. Funnily enough most of those were landlords themselves.

It has to be the cladding doesn't it? The fire spread around the outside of the building.

A Tory outrage.

2009 - Lakanal House tower block catches fire killing 6 people. The local authority is prosecuted for lapses in fire safety. A review is promised by the Labour government after pressure from the Fire Protection Association (FPA).

2010 - Building Regulations Act is published, including provisions for fire safety. Conservatives win election, a review is promised by the new government after more pressure from the FPA and warnings that the BR act does not go far enough.

2013 - Boris Johnson overrules the ruling body of the London Fire Brigade and uses legal action to inflict £29m in cuts. Closing 10 fire stations, cutting firefighters by 552, losing 14 fire engines and cutting minimum staffing levels from 5 to 4. By the time he steps down as Mayor of London he inflicts a further £100m in cuts to £130m total and the loss of 7000 firefighters. Fire prevention measures carried out by the service drop by over 25%.

2013 - All Party Parliamentary Group on Fire Safety and Rescue produces a report strongly recommending installation of fire suppression systems and sprinklers in 4000 tower blocks throughout Britain. The Grenfell residents action group publishes a report warning that their landlord is putting their safety at risk by restricting the access ways to their car park. They are ignored by their landlord.

2013 - 2016 Conservative housing ministers sit on All Party report without action, promising they are "looking at it", including housing minister Gavin Barwell.

2016 - Conservatives vote against a Labour motion to make sure all landlords and housing associations ensure residences are fit for human occupation, including provisions for fire safety. The motion is denied by 312 votes to 219. 72 of the MP's voting against are landlords. The Grenfell residents action group publish a report warning people will die in a fire before the landlord takes notice of their poor fire safety provisions. They are ignored by their landlord.

2017 - Ex housing minister Gavin Barwell becomes Prime Minister Theresa May's chief of staff. He never actions the All Party Parliamentary report recommendations. Grenfell Tower is reduced to rubble with the deaths of at least 12 residents as a fire spreads through the building in 4 minutes. It has no fire suppression system or sprinklers. The stairwell is not adequate for a full building evacuation. The emergency lighting is missing from half of the floors. The fire service struggle to reach the building due to previous car park modifications causing access issues as warned by the resident action group in 2013.

This post will be updated as more facts become apparent. These people were ignored because they were poor, and now they are dead. We all need to add our voices to theirs.

A 2012 report by the British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association (BAFSA) concluded that fire sprinklers could be retrofitted with tenants in place at a cost of about £1,150 a flat. Since the 24-storey Grenfell Tower contained 120 flats, it works out at £138,000. Significantly less than the £2.6m spent on the cladding and replacement windows which were largely done for cosmetic reasons.

The horrific fire and its aftermath probably deserves its own thread. I've found it really distressing to watch the news these two days. Horrific.

I think the Queen did that deliberately, Kern - May has not endeared herself to Beenda recently apparently.

I think the Queen did that deliberately, Kern - May has not endeared herself to Brenda recently apparently.

The Government is "waging war against the excessive health and safety culture that has become an albatross around the neck of British businesses", said the PM.

Ha ha fucking hell, still trying to gloat, even now! That's some fucking chutzpah!