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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 15:58 
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That's cool, people are of course free to vote however they feel, but Tees valley turning blue makes me sick. Short, short memories.


It certainly makes the upcoming general more terrifying (for which I wouldn't vote Tory if my life depended on it)

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 16:17 
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DavPaz wrote:
That's cool, people are of course free to vote however they feel, but Tees valley turning blue makes me sick. Short, short memories.


It certainly makes the upcoming general more terrifying (for which I wouldn't vote Tory if my life depended on it)

What if the Tory Council guy stood for MP?

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 16:18 
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I'd say I hope I don't get sick, but my psoriasis probably already marks me out as somebody to be thinned from the herd.

But! We still have the Senate to go, and they seem to be of the mind to start again by writing a new bill from scratch. Meanwhile, the further Left elements continue beating up on the Center (sp) of the Democrats and I'm trying not to point at the UK and scream 'THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DO THAT'. But we must have our purity, eh, lads?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 16:40 
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MaliA wrote:
Jem wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
That's cool, people are of course free to vote however they feel, but Tees valley turning blue makes me sick. Short, short memories.


It certainly makes the upcoming general more terrifying (for which I wouldn't vote Tory if my life depended on it)

What if the Tory Council guy stood for MP?


I wouldn't vote for him :shrug: at that point wider issues come into play than local dog fouling and whether or not the main road potholes will be sorted.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Peter St. John wrote:
I'd say I hope I don't get sick, but my psoriasis probably already marks me out as somebody to be thinned from the herd.


Pfft. It marks you as one of the chosen.

I have to say, chronic psoriasis has always made me feel so grateful for, and dependent on, the NHS that I applaud your bravery in emigrating.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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In one of those bitter ironies, it didn't start until I came over here. Changing jobs lead to the discovery that not all employer-backed insurance schemes are equal - going to Target to be informed that the prescription I was getting for $15 would now be over $400 was…an interesting day!


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I can't quite put into words how disappointed I am at how many seats the tories managed to pick up in Scotland. Labour, Lib Dem, Green - anything else would be fine. But the TORIES? Really?


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I can't quite put into words how disappointed I am at how many seats the tories managed to pick up in Scotland. Labour, Lib Dem, Green - anything else would be fine. But the TORIES? Really?

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 21:43 
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Its very disappointing that people are allowed to vote for the party they want to win the election.

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According to the Oxford Mail the Green candidate in Oxford West & Abingdon is standing down to help the Liberal Democrats reclaim the seat from the Tories. Not much use to me as I don't live there anymore, but this could be the start of a trend.


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Isn't that lovely?

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The thing is, the Greens are always willing to help, and are one of the leading voices in the progressive alliance talks. It needs the Lib Dems and Labour to reciprocate to have any chance of doing it, and the leaders won't, because they want to be considered as "big parties" and the Tories will start saying "see, I told you, coalition of chaos". So that leaves it down to regional parties deciding to go it alone, and I think it's harder for an individual to stand aside, rather than someone from above telling you to stand aside.

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Its very disappointing that people are allowed to vote for the party they want to win the election.

It's disappointing that people are allowed to express disappointment with the results


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Its very disappointing that people are allowed to vote for the party they want to win the election.

It's disappointing that people are allowed to express disappointment with the results
I ... what?

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Phew! The world isn't totally crazy, perhaps


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 21:44 
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DavPaz wrote:
EXACTLY

You're an odd boy, Charlie Brown.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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MrChris wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
EXACTLY

You're an odd boy, Charlie Brown.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I'm currently reading 'More Sex, Lies, and the Ballot Box', edited by Philip Cowley and Robert Ford.

Like its predecessor, it's a collection of short chapters (no more than 1000 words each) on various aspects of political behaviour, from the role of the weather to why young people don't vote.

I wish I'd read a volume like this years ago as it really reminds me how interesting political science, politics, and people can be when written in an accessible style.


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Who wants to see P Davies's election bumpf?

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You say 'Shipley', I say 'P'.

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You'll have to wait until tomorrow, you dogs.

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Prick tease...

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Sorry, was out.


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Oh look - a prick.

I like* how the second most important thing on his leaflet is "No to political correctness" because if there's one thing that's at the heart of all society's problems right now it's not being able to say "Gollywog" or point out that women get a really raw deal under the current system.

*find it reprehensible - the prick.

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I like* how the second most important thing on his leaflet is "No to political correctness" because if there's one thing that's at the heart of all society's problems right now it's not being able to say "Gollywog" or point out that women get a really raw deal under the current system..


On the upside, it means we can call him what we like to his face and he can't complain.


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Mr Trump has fired the FBI director and in the dismissal letter states that he was assured he's not under investigation over Russia. A strange thing to include, because why mention it unless you were concerned people might connect the two?

The USA and the world never had this much fun under his predecessor.


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CPS aren't bringing charges regarding election spending in 2015. They haven't ruled on Thanet yet, where the Tories were trying to crush Mr Farage.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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An interesting read here, addressing the old 'How are you going to pay for it?' question that always get levelled at politicians, especially lefty types who like to spend money on nice things for people.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017 ... ay-for-it/

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We’re not going to pay for it. We’re going to issue debt to pay for it. That’s because people like pension funds, the banking system and prudent savers are exceptionally keen to buy that debt. But more than that, government debt is just money. Read what it says on any bank note and you’ll realise that is true. And a growing economy needs more money and it’s the government’s job to create it. So we will. In that case who will pay? You could say it’s the people who are queuing up to save with the government who will pay. And we’re doing them a favour by letting them do just that.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Isn't this missing the prices part of the velocity of money argument?

MV=PY where M is money supply, V is the velocity (how quickly all exchanges can be carried out), P is prices and Y is output.

So if we keep on increasing the money supply by creating debt and spending it on good stuff, output (Y) or prices (P) must rise to maintain the equilibrium. Or, if P rises, M (or V) must rise.

Of course, the tricky bit in economics is working out M, V, P, Y, and the necessary timescales.


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