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Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 16:08 ]
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MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Cras wrote:
I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican


MrsA just texted me to offer the opinion that had I done my research correctly, the net worth could ve as low as $8 billion. So you might owe some.

We found the ipad down the side of the sofa on Maundy Thursday. Has been missing since October...


I did maths:

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Seems $15 billion too high. Net worth of Vatican looks to be closer to $8billion from various reports (Eg http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/po ... urch/), the population of earth or the maths of one divided by the other?

Or, we could say that it owns all of every FTSE 100 company. That'd be worth $2.2 trillion. Divide that and everyone gets $267 dollars.

For everyone to get, say, $100,000 dollars, that would mean them owning assests of £750trillion which is about 37 times larger than the GDP of the US.

Scaling back, if it had assests equal to the GDP of the US, everyonr would get the equivalent of a 17 year old BMW 3 series with 100,000 miles on the clock ($2,667).

So, between $1 and $2 most likely.


Oh. The original author has said it isn't known how much gold is held.

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BBC reports estimates of 177,380 metric tonnes mined in history of world, so let's assume "All the gold". At $40,683 per kilo that's $6.97 trillion, or $7 trillion as it's a few years old and makes the maths easier and absorbs the $15 billion. Divide that by the 7.5 billion people and that is $933 dollars per person or a really natty leather jacket.


An expensive leather jacket, you say?

http://www.lewisleathers.com/productinf ... ode=jak-68

Needs to be in yellow, tbf.
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 16:11 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Cras wrote:
I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican


MrsA just texted me to offer the opinion that had I done my research correctly, the net worth could ve as low as $8 billion. So you might owe some.

We found the ipad down the side of the sofa on Maundy Thursday. Has been missing since October...


I did maths:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Seems $15 billion too high. Net worth of Vatican looks to be closer to $8billion from various reports (Eg http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/po ... urch/), the population of earth or the maths of one divided by the other?

Or, we could say that it owns all of every FTSE 100 company. That'd be worth $2.2 trillion. Divide that and everyone gets $267 dollars.

For everyone to get, say, $100,000 dollars, that would mean them owning assests of £750trillion which is about 37 times larger than the GDP of the US.

Scaling back, if it had assests equal to the GDP of the US, everyonr would get the equivalent of a 17 year old BMW 3 series with 100,000 miles on the clock ($2,667).

So, between $1 and $2 most likely.


Oh. The original author has said it isn't known how much gold is held.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
BBC reports estimates of 177,380 metric tonnes mined in history of world, so let's assume "All the gold". At $40,683 per kilo that's $6.97 trillion, or $7 trillion as it's a few years old and makes the maths easier and absorbs the $15 billion. Divide that by the 7.5 billion people and that is $933 dollars per person or a really natty leather jacket.


An expensive leather jacket, you say?

http://www.lewisleathers.com/productinf ... ode=jak-68

Needs to be in yellow, tbf.


Unsurprisingly, that is exactly the one I had in mind.
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 16:20 ]
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MaliA, pictured here, in his dreams:
Author:  Cras [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 16:27 ]
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That's not The Jacket.
Author:  MrChris [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 21:29 ]
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MaliA wrote:
http://www.lewisleathers.com/productinf ... ode=jak-68

Needs to be in yellow, tbf.

That's a noice jacket. Why spoil it by making it yellow?
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 21:31 ]
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MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
http://www.lewisleathers.com/productinf ... ode=jak-68

Needs to be in yellow, tbf.

That's a noice jacket. Why spoil it by making it yellow?


Yellow cows are rarer
Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:23 ]
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That Lewis Leathers jacket is really nice.

If dissolving the church nets me one of those, then I'm all for it. Where do I sign?
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:06 ]
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Sir Taxalot wrote:
That Lewis Leathers jacket is really nice.

If dissolving the church nets me one of those, then I'm all for it. Where do I sign?

That would only be if the Pope got hold of all the gold ever mined. As it is, the Pope-handout would get you one to two Twixes.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:47 ]
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I kinda have no idea what this thread is going on about.
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:49 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
I kinda have no idea what this thread is going on about.


It makes more sense than that AP interview with Mr Trump.
Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:21 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Sir Taxalot wrote:
That Lewis Leathers jacket is really nice.

If dissolving the church nets me one of those, then I'm all for it. Where do I sign?

That would only be if the Pope got hold of all the gold ever mined. As it is, the Pope-handout would get you one to two Twixes.


I demand a refund
Author:  Jem [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:03 ]
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I would totally wear that jacket in yellow.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:07 ]
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See? Everybody wants to dress like me.
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:09 ]
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Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?
Author:  DBSnappa [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:24 ]
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MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
http://www.lewisleathers.com/productinf ... ode=jak-68

Needs to be in yellow, tbf.

That's a noice jacket. Why spoil it by making it yellow?

If you look closely, their made from horse
Yellow cows are rarer
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:48 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:03 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:04 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.


Uma had a jumpsuit.
Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:07 ]
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MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.


Uma had a jumpsuit.


Objection!

It's not a jumpsuit. It's just matching trousers and jacket.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:17 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.


Uma had a jumpsuit.


Objection!

It's not a jumpsuit. It's just matching trousers and jacket.


Sustained, i half watched it as the film was crap. More overrated than Shawshank and the Green Mile blended together in a juicepouch.
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:37 ]
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I think I managed to sit all the way through vol 1, but never bothered with vol 2.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:45 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
It's worth voting WEP there just for the idea of how much seething Davies would do should they oust him!


I thought about this over luncheon. I think that despite my concerns, WEP is probably the best option to vote for. Mainly driven by Cras and his reasonings. But they are not where I want the to be on Brexit.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... es-shipley

Helen Pidd of the graun was at the campaign launch, and said there was anger there. Probably from Labour, as they are in a twist over it.
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 15:19 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.


Objection - Dirk is wearing that exact jacket, but in yellow.
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 15:35 ]
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No he bloody isn't.

Image
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 15:35 ]
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he has no logo or go faster stripes. And a different collar.

I suspect Dirk is wearing a cheap knock off.
Author:  KovacsC [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 15:39 ]
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I like that jacket
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 16:32 ]
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MrChris wrote:
he has no logo or go faster stripes. And a different collar.

I suspect Dirk is wearing a cheap knock off.


Dirk is wearing a custom made Lewis.

https://thetake.com/product/129261/dirk ... -1-trailer
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 16:56 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
he has no logo or go faster stripes. And a different collar.

I suspect Dirk is wearing a cheap knock off.


Dirk is wearing a custom made Lewis.

https://thetake.com/product/129261/dirk ... -1-trailer

It looks rubbish though. Mainly because it's yellow.
Author:  markg [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 17:11 ]
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No, it looks rubbish because he isn't riding a motorbike, in the 1970s.
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 17:18 ]
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No, strongly disagree. He's had a custom made version that has ended up looking like a cheap marketplace knock off.

I'm ashamed of you Mali.
Author:  devilman [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 17:19 ]
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The last page of posts might need moving into the jacket thread of the clothing subforum.
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 17:23 ]
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No, it fits. Our Prime Minister is well known for her love of fashion.
Author:  Nik [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 20:55 ]
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Kern wrote:
No, it fits. Our Prime Minister is well known for her love of fashion.


"Fashion! Turn to the left."

If only!
Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:22 ]
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Mr Trump is finding being the President of the USA not as easy and more work than he thought. It would be charming to see a simple man have his mind opened by the complexities of government and high office, were it not so terrifying.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:22 ]
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MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
It's worth voting WEP there just for the idea of how much seething Davies would do should they oust him!


I thought about this over luncheon. I think that despite my concerns, WEP is probably the best option to vote for. Mainly driven by Cras and his reasonings. But they are not where I want the to be on Brexit.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... es-shipley

Helen Pidd of the graun was at the campaign launch, and said there was anger there. Probably from Labour, as they are in a twist over it.


The Green party standing aside. Labour supporters eportedly furious.
Author:  Kern [ Tue May 02, 2017 9:15 ]
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Apparently Mr Trump has been asking why his country had a civil war instead of doing a deal. Oh dear.
Author:  MrChris [ Tue May 02, 2017 9:53 ]
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Kern wrote:
Apparently Mr Trump has been asking why his country had a civil war instead of doing a deal. Oh dear.

no, not really. Really?
Author:  Kern [ Tue May 02, 2017 9:56 ]
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Quote:
People don’t realize, you know, the civil war – if you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there a civil war? Why could that one not have been worked out?

Guardian.

Also, Andrew Jackson was very angry about it, but not as angry as having been dead for years.

I'm not looking forward to when Mr Trump finds out who burnt down the White House in 1814.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue May 02, 2017 19:20 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
It's worth voting WEP there just for the idea of how much seething Davies would do should they oust him!


I thought about this over luncheon. I think that despite my concerns, WEP is probably the best option to vote for. Mainly driven by Cras and his reasonings. But they are not where I want the to be on Brexit.


Taken from Shipley Labour's facebook. They say they are the only 'real opposition' to Davies, but they would need to retain their voters and get ALL the UKIP, Green, Lib Dems ans Yorkshire First votes fo win. They are fairly rattled, it seems, which now makes me want to vote for Sophie even more. And I saw one of them in a Corbyn t shirt.
Author:  MrChris [ Tue May 02, 2017 20:00 ]
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Diane Abbott's car crash today was a thing to behold. I like the way the Grauniad is passing this off as simply "mis-speaking" when she got literally every number wrong several times in different ways, and it's her sodding shadow cabinet post's policy.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue May 02, 2017 20:09 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Diane Abbott's car crash today was a thing to behold. I like the way the Grauniad is passing this off as simply "mis-speaking" when she got literally every number wrong several times in different ways, and it's her sodding shadow cabinet post's policy.


I was listening to Rudd on tne way to work and thinking "This is all bullshit, but she's hitting her marks, being polite, but firm, and running the interview well, so much better than Abbott could". then, on the way homw, listening to PM, I heard it. Jesus Christ. Amazing.
Author:  MrChris [ Tue May 02, 2017 21:03 ]
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"Did you hear Diane Abbott" was the first thing Ruth said to me when I got in.
Author:  Curiosity [ Tue May 02, 2017 21:50 ]
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God I hate the role of the media in politics.
Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Wed May 03, 2017 0:41 ]
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Yeah but can Diane Abbott eat hot chips or not?
Author:  MrChris [ Wed May 03, 2017 8:19 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
God I hate the role of the media in politics.

What's it done now? The reporting on Abbott's utter incompetence is fair isn't it?
Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed May 03, 2017 8:21 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
God I hate the role of the media in politics.

What's it done now? The reporting on Abbott's utter incompetence is fair isn't it?

Yeah but people react more to "urh hurgh look at this incompetent woman" rather than "oh this woman just enacted a policy that fucks over generations to come".
Author:  Kern [ Wed May 03, 2017 8:22 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
Yeah but people react more to "urh hurgh look at this incompetent woman" rather than "oh this woman just enacted a policy that fucks over generations to come".


One of them is having a nationwide job interview. She should have seen that question coming.
Author:  MrChris [ Wed May 03, 2017 8:27 ]
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Kern wrote:
Mr Russell wrote:
Yeah but people react more to "urh hurgh look at this incompetent woman" rather than "oh this woman just enacted a policy that fucks over generations to come".


One of them is having a nationwide job interview. She should have seen that question coming.

And it's also HER SHADOW DEPARTMENT'S POLICY. She only had to remember two sodding numbers.

And Russ, TBF you should blame the British people for that, not May - we as a plebiscite chose this stupid bloody policy, not her. If she resiled from the WILL OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE she's have been torn to pieces.Quite possibly literally.

Still, my preferred outcome would have been every single MP going "well, fuck you lot then, we all resign. Sort it out yourselves you bloody idiots".
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed May 03, 2017 8:46 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
God I hate the role of the media in politics.

What's it done now? The reporting on Abbott's utter incompetence is fair isn't it?


Not even remotely. It's not even close to being in the same vicinity as the half of the world in which fair resides.

It wasn't even in the top five stupidest things done that day on the campaign trail, but it fits the narrative and allows the media to ignore any and all actual issues to focus on, "Let's all laugh at Diane Abbott".

It ignores that Theresa May did worse things even on the same day. It ignores that Abbott did the same interview numerous times throughout the day and made one (admittedly silly) mistake. It ignores whether the policy was good or bad. It ignores whether it is better policy than that currently in place. It furthers the belief that the most important thing about running a country is the ability to drone on through a hundred interviews without putting out a single thing worth saying. It explicitly encourages the parroting of stupid, meaningless lies such as 'Strong and Stable Leadership' and moves politics further and further from being about issues and purely about personalities.

The Tories are likely to win in a landslide despite not having a policy other than going for a harder Brexit than the BNP wanted. Despite utter governmental incompetence in things that actually matter. Despite bringing about the biggest crises in education and healthcare in my lifetime. They are in a position where they can literally do whatever they want, but instead of trying to hold them to account or ask what they actually want to do, people would rather laugh at the silly lady who made a mistake in one bloody interview.

I'm not a fan of Abbott, but she takes an insane amount of flak for things that others would get away with. It seems spectacularly unfair to me that you could come up with amazing policies that would change the world and save lives, but if you fuck up one interview out of many you give on the same day you'd just get laughed out of town - but only if your face doesn't fit.

Just attack the damn policies if they're so incompetent and terrible. I think Corbyn is a shambles at organising things, and he's not be my first choice as Prime Minister, but if you dissociate him from his policies, those policies are actually really popular.

But nobody engages with policies any more. They're somehow unimportant. And Abbott's fuck up is just one example of this; a symptom of a wider malaise. We've all ballsed up something at work in our time. If you're like Johnson, Trump, Gove, Hunt, May, you get away with it. If you're Abbott, less so.

I'm just so exasperated with it all. Truth and facts and policies and all that boring stuff that actually matters take a backseat to whatever makes a better sound bite.

The policy itself could be awful; it could be great. Nobody seems to care, because the weakest and least stable government in recent memory need to have time to tell you how strong and stable they are.
Author:  markg [ Wed May 03, 2017 8:52 ]
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ALL THIS.
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