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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 14:27 
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 14:30 
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That smiley is just awesome. :D

@Mark - no ding dongs with me mate, just saying that UKIP or Tory voters don't have a monopoly on stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 14:41 
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And I totally used it on the wrong forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 14:59 
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Farage has struck political gold and he knows it. He's making hay big time.

He's Oswald Mosley 2.0.


I agree.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 15:59 
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People who waste their vote annoy me.
I'm talking about the people who vote for someone that they don't believe in, be it a protest vote or to stop someone else getting into power etc...

The calls from people on Twitter etc... to vote for anyone other than UKIP to stop them getting in, are just as dangerous as the UKIP voters in my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 16:07 
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I've long thought it would be good to have (anonymous until they're all over) presentations on what the people you might vote for do actually stand for before being allowed to vote.

Sadly not really a feasable suggestion, but some way of guaranteeing that a voting person has actually bothered to find out what they're voting for would be good. (and perhaps get a bit more sympathy when they turn round.later and claim that what they got wasn't what they voted for)

Of course what I'd actually like is a diverse group of people working together to find decent solutions rather than the seesaw tribal bullshit and jeering that we currently have.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 16:14 
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Of course what I'd actually like is a diverse group of people working together to find decent solutions rather than the seesaw tribal bullshit and jeering that we currently have.


So very much this. It appears to me that you rarely see someone in politics talking about what we should do to solve a problem when, instead, they could just spend loads of time slagging off their opponents idea instead; as if being negative about other shit was somehow a positive contribution. Or you get the media making a shitstorm out of stuff like whether David Cameron eats fucking sausage rolls or not. Put it all together and trying to give a shit is an uphill struggle.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 16:35 
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Of course what I'd actually like is a diverse group of people working together to find decent solutions rather than the seesaw tribal bullshit and jeering that we currently have.


So very much this. It appears to me that you rarely see someone in politics talking about what we should do to solve a problem when, instead, they could just spend loads of time slagging off their opponents idea instead; as if being negative about other shit was somehow a positive contribution. Or you get the media making a shitstorm out of stuff like whether David Cameron eats fucking sausage rolls or not. Put it all together and trying to give a shit is an uphill struggle.


Yeah, but diverse committees don't tend to work so well, unfortunately. All you end up with, for much of the time, is a hamstrung, directionless, impotent talking shop, when actually, shit needs to get done. How many companies are (successfully) run like this?

Nice idea, but I prefer the much riskier option of actual leadership, conviction and coherent political vision/objectives - but you've just got to hope you're being led by a skilled, educated politician with a plan, like Thatcher, as opposed to some media crowd-pleaser guy like Blair. (Or Brown, who wasn't even a crowd-pleaser).

(As for would-be voters having to give a presentation before casting their vote...? Meh! I don't think so; I bet half of the electorate wouldn't even be able to deliver a presentation on anything, let alone contemporary politics!)

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 16:55 
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If they left the name of the party off the slips so you actually had to know who you were voting for it'd be a start.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 16:58 
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(As for would-be voters having to give a presentation before casting their vote...? Meh! I don't think so; I bet half of the electorate wouldn't even be able to deliver a presentation on anything, let alone contemporary politics!)

I think you missed the entire point, there.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 17:01 
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(As for would-be voters having to give a presentation before casting their vote...? Meh! I don't think so; I bet half of the electorate wouldn't even be able to deliver a presentation on anything, let alone contemporary politics!)

I think you missed the entire point, there.


Not so much 'missed the point' as 'misread the point'.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 17:05 
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No, I think I understood it perfectly well.

If you're going to introduce such impediments to people voting, you might as well scrap voting altogether and have done with it. The average person is clueless, lazy, badly educated and full of apathy, yet this isn't entirely their fault. They've probably gone through a lousy education system that's ill equipped them for anything much, if they're younger than 30.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 17:10 
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No, I think I understood it perfectly well.


Well you've mistyped something somewhere then. Dave was talking about voters sitting through a presentation made by the candidates before they were allowed to cast a vote. You then said:

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As for would-be voters having to give a presentation before casting their vote


Those two things aren't the same.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 17:13 
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Ah right, yes, sorry I did misread it. My apologies.

Trouble with that is you'd have candidates squabbling over who goes first, last, could they be arsed, could voters be arsed sitting through up to six presentations etc etc = not practical.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 17:21 
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Trouble with that is you'd have candidates squabbling over who goes first, last, could they be arsed, could voters be arsed sitting through up to six presentations etc etc = not practical.


It's definitely not practical for a few reasons as Dave himself admitted but I quite like the idea as a concept. Anything to try and make voters more informed before they make an actual decision, and I include myself fully in that judgement.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.


I did this survey thing today. It seems pretty neutral.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.


I did this survey thing today. It seems pretty neutral.


I'm 33% green apparently...

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 21:08 
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Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.

Yeah, it reckoned I should vote for the liberal democrats.

And that I shared two opinions with UKIP (One of which is because I misread the question as the opposite thing, so yeah...)
And I thought it was giving me a surprising amount of agreement with the conservatives, until I reliased I was looking at the results for the green party.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 21:30 
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Here's that flyer. I reckon it's Labour

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Heh.

Croydon is unsafe and a dump

Way to win over voters there.

Although Croydon is unsafe and a dump


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 0:30 
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Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.


I did this survey thing today. It seems pretty neutral.

Doesn't seem too bad, actually. Got these results…

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First result's quite funny, as I'm a member of Labour and have never voted LibDem.

Across Europe I'm most closely matched with the Belgian Parti Socialiste, according to the poll.


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Here's that flyer. I reckon it's Labour

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This right here is the kind of thing I was whining about earlier. I don't want to know why I shouldn't vote for X, I want to know why I should vote for Y. Don't just sneer from the fucking sidelines about someone else's idea, tell me what you idea is and why it's excellent. Negative fucking pricks dragging the whole thing into the gutter.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:27 
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Pod wrote:
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Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.


I did this survey thing today. It seems pretty neutral.


Fascinating; got it absolutely right for me. Virtually nothing to choose between Conservative and LibDem, almost identical scores and both a "weak match". Labour a long way behind in 3rd place, then UKIP and the Greens last.

Explains why I'm a big fan of the Coalition, I guess, with no one single party wholly reflecting my very Liberal, old school Patrician Tory-wet views. :)

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Curiosity wrote:
Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.

They'd just argue about what the answers mean forever, though.

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Grim... wrote:
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Just get some scientists to make a decent online poll about your opinion on certain issues, including their importance, and let it choose who you should vote for.

They'd just argue about what the answers mean forever, though.


And it might be that whilst the candidate's party represents your views, he himself is not suitable for legislative or executive office and that would outweigh everything else. One of the reasons I'm against closed party lists.


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Unsurprisingly, I am a close match to the Greens and Labour.

Surprisingly, I was a positive match to all the major parties, even the The Kippers (2% :) )


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40.4 [Greens]
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I would never have thought my labour was so high, and conservative so low.

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