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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:32 
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Quite possibly the worst defence of an underage sex scandal I've come across.

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Alabama's state auditor Jim Zeigler came under fire on Thursday for his remarks defending Mr Moore.
He was quoted as saying that even if the Washington Post report were true, "it's much ado about very little".
Mr Zeigler told the Washington Times newspaper: "Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.

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Ray Moore is not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy.


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The sad thing is that he could probably admit it, and he'd still get the votes because he's not a democrat.

Alabama...


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https://twitter.com/KEBrightbill/status ... 0679859200

Very good Twitter thread at why American evangelical Christians are just fine with this stuff.


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As we talked about a while back, on
past things being pulled up.

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One of our local Tory MPs is again facing a backlash after being caught lying (again) about not being invited to several Remembrance services being held by the (Labour) unitary authority.

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That's not so much mendacious as just plain dumb

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That's not so much mendacious as just plain dumb

Or relies on PAUL to tell her things like this and didn't get told.
And daftly didn't check before getting stupidly OUTRAGED.


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Looks like Mugabe's on his way out.


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Booted out or swinging from a lamp post out?


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Booted out or swinging from a lamp post out?

"Bloodless transition".

He's 93.

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Unsure. Army playing it coy it seems at present.

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Equality News Hour!

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SHIPLEY MP Philip Davies said men and women should be treated the same when they commit a crime.

He said a crime was the same regardless who committed it and there was no justification for treating people differently based on their sex. ...He said: “It is fair to say that I am often pilloried for arguing that men and women should be treated equally.

"I do not see that there is anything particularly controversial in that, but it never ceases to amaze me how often I am accused of being a misogynist, sexist, or some other term of abuse, merely for saying that men and women should be treated equally before the law."

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Women are treated differently in court because a patriarchal society deems them to be the main caregiver when it comes to children and the judge will think about the children's lives when sentencing. If Davies spent more time trying to smash those misconceptions then everything else would fall into place. He's putting the cart before the horse.

That's being kind to him really. He's actually a disingenuous cunt.


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A brief look see suggests that "Main carer/has caring responsibilities " was used by 30% of women, and 9% of men, in cases of theft, dishonesty or fraud during a study period.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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MPs to slam door in woman's face.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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The ever-excellent Michael Deacon
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... easy-tips/

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On Wednesday, the Chancellor Philip Hammond is expected to use his Budget to help young people get on the property ladder. But should this really be the responsibility of the State? Isn’t there more that the young could do to solve their problems themselves?

Here we present seven simple tips for millennials on how to buy a house.

Be born earlier. All too many young people today didn’t get round to being born until the late 1980s, or even the 1990s. As a result of their tardiness, they were much too late to take advantage of low house prices. Those who had the foresight to be born in the 1950s and 60s, by contrast, have been justly rewarded for their “get-up-and-go”. If you were born too late, be sure not to make the same mistake again.

Inherit wealth. Inheriting wealth is an excellent way to pay for that first big deposit. Increasing numbers of young people, however, commit the textbook error of growing up in a poor family. Carry out a detailed assessment of your parents’ income. If it’s less than £250,000 per annum, are you sure they’re the right parents for you? Shop around for the best deal. Ideally, look for parents approaching retirement with no other offspring and a medium-sized buy-to-let portfolio.

Make sacrifices. To help you save for a deposit, avoid wasting money on trivial inessentials, such as foreign holidays, new iPhones, nights out, taxis, coffees, takeaways, alcohol, clothing, heating, rent and food.

Make your savings work harder. With interest rates low, high street banks are currently delivering little for savers. Instead, try funnelling £20million into an offshore tax haven.

Boost your earning power. Struggling financially? Consider making some extra cash on the side by becoming a 1960s rock star, Russian oligarch, chief executive of Walmart or monarch.

Club together. If you don’t have enough money to buy a property on your own, think about buying jointly. A two-bed flat in London Zone 4 should be well within your reach if you pool resources with just 60 of your closest friends.

Be patient. Remember that property prices can fall as well as rise. At some point in the next 18-24 months, an economic disaster of unimaginable magnitude should bring houses down to a much more affordable level – and, thanks to your youth and superior physical fitness, you’ll be in an excellent position to fight off competitors in the desperate looting of banks, supermarkets and high-street shops. Good luck!


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The BBC are saying that the Chancellor is going to announce a railcard for those aged 25-30. I'm far too old to benefit but this is on the whole a good thing. I've never understood, however, why we don't just scrap the panoply of cards and just copy Deutsche Bahn's 'Bahncard' scheme, where discounts are available to everyone who has bought a card rather than targeted groups.


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I don't get it either. The administration costs of looking after this myriad of railcards would surely be saved by just having one.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Or cheaper fares.


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Or cheaper fares.


Unionised labour calls for higher wages, doesn't it?

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Or cheaper fares.


Or more subsidies.


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Robot trains.

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Or cheaper fares.


Unionised labour calls for higher wages, doesn't it?

Let's nationalise it first.


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Budget deficit widened to £8bn. Safe hands. Strong and stable. Economically wise.


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Budget deficit widened to £8bn. Safe hands. Strong and stable. Economically wise.


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Or cheaper fares.


Unionised labour calls for higher wages, doesn't it?

Let's nationalise it first.


Not against that idea.

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Oddly, it's one where I'm on the fence and probably wouldn't make it a priority. The main benefit would be integrating track (already publicly owned) and the services which should improve efficient planning. Of course let's put aside the issue of buying the rolling stock back from the leasing companies.

Public ownership is not going to solve the ageing infrastructure, overcrowding on certain services (unless we move to reservation only services that cause a whole new world of headaches), or fare costs. Train operating companies aren't that profitable so there's not much of a saving there (around 4% return per annum at best). Many fares are regulated, and the franchise system already means that the government sets out what services it wants running over a set number of years. I don't think that putting the railways into the annual budget round is a good idea as you need some form of long termism, but I wouldn't want an arms-length public body to be able to operate without some form of political direction.

But it's an issue I'm continually playing with when I get bored, and I think there are different priorities between long-distance, regional, and local services.


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I went back to investigate pre-public ticket prices and was surprised to find there wasn't much difference in the cost of my ticket. If the pricing trend then had continued up to 2016 it would only be about 5% less than it is now.

I don't think the rail problem is one you can solve without literally starting a new network.

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Oddly, it's one where I'm on the fence and probably wouldn't make it a priority. The main benefit would be integrating track (already publicly owned) and the services which should improve efficient planning. Of course let's put aside the issue of buying the rolling stock back from the leasing companies.

Public ownership is not going to solve the ageing infrastructure, overcrowding on certain services (unless we move to reservation only services that cause a whole new world of headaches), or fare costs. Train operating companies aren't that profitable so there's not much of a saving there (around 4% return per annum at best). Many fares are regulated, and the franchise system already means that the government sets out what services it wants running over a set number of years. I don't think that putting the railways into the annual budget round is a good idea as you need some form of long termism, but I wouldn't want an arms-length public body to be able to operate without some form of political direction.

But it's an issue I'm continually playing with when I get bored, and I think there are different priorities between long-distance, regional, and local services.


A lot of that sounds like the NHS

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A lot of that sounds like the NHS


I don't get childishly excited waiting in the JR.


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