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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 10:24 
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I would comment about the latest scandal engulfing Mr Trump but they've been coming so thick and fast for weeks/months/years that it's exhausting to both keep up and hope that finally he'll be held to account for it.

It's not good for one's health to think about him that much anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I think it's utterly fascinating. You've got seasoned political commentators with decades of experience just totally confused by where the political landscape is and what is going on. It's demonstrated just how leaky the US political system is - being so driven by convention, what happens when the conventions are just blatantly ignored?

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Yes, the reports on the radio this morning were saying "The White House has denied the allegations."

Well of course they have, even if they're true they just make their own version of the truth, and tell you to stop living in the past when it takes you longer than a few days to investigate the latest thing that would have seen any other administration kicked out and jailed.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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. It's demonstrated just how leaky the US political system is - being so driven by convention, what happens when the conventions are just blatantly ignored?


That's a good way of putting it. Conventions matter just as much as rules. A shrewd political operator will continually push to see how far the system can stretch (eg Lincoln; FDR) before it springs back and hits him in the face (eg Nixon). Once the support from the GOP goes, so will Mr Trump.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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. It's demonstrated just how leaky the US political system is - being so driven by convention, what happens when the conventions are just blatantly ignored?


That's a good way of putting it. Conventions matter just as much as rules. A shrewd political operator will continually push to see how far the system can stretch (eg Lincoln; FDR) before it springs back and hits him in the face (eg Nixon). Once the support from the GOP goes, so will Mr Trump.


Although the only shrewdness I detect on Mr Trump's part is that of a dodgy car salesman, not a modern Machiavelli.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:13 
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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There will be a tipping point. If Trump makes it through the year, there's going to be a lot of congressional republicans looking at the poll numbers for the 2018 election and not liking what they see. They're already past the tipping point of actually having anything to gain from a republican president.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:24 
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 15:40 
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An interesting read here, addressing the old 'How are you going to pay for it?' question that always get levelled at politicians, especially lefty types who like to spend money on nice things for people.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017 ... ay-for-it/

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We’re not going to pay for it. We’re going to issue debt to pay for it. That’s because people like pension funds, the banking system and prudent savers are exceptionally keen to buy that debt. But more than that, government debt is just money. Read what it says on any bank note and you’ll realise that is true. And a growing economy needs more money and it’s the government’s job to create it. So we will. In that case who will pay? You could say it’s the people who are queuing up to save with the government who will pay. And we’re doing them a favour by letting them do just that.

After three years away, I went back to read El Murphs drivel and it is good to note that his normal standard of choosing the facts that he wants to reflect whilst ignoring all others is standing him in good stead.

He makes two fundamental points - that issuing debt at historically low interest rates to buy back shares in utilities is effectively free money, because the debt service cost is virtually nil and also, as the borrowing is matched with assets, there is no increase in the deficit.

1 - It may be cheap to borrow today, but no government ever repays its debt - it refinances it. So you can borrow today at 1% but when those bonds come up for redemption, the rate of interest on the replacement debt could be significantly higher. Therefore, arguing to load debt now is a short term view at best.

2 - If you do load up with debt, then your cost of further debt is likely to automatically increase as a result, thus reinforcing point 1.

I hate the "Economy as a household" analogy as it is nearly always bullshit, but in this case, I could theoretically go (today) and buy a house twice the price as my current house and keep my mortgage payment the same as I am currently on 4.5%, but will shortly drop to 2% (and that would apply on that theoretical mortgage too). But, when that subsequent fixed term ends, if mortgage rates have returned to normal, I'd be absolutely fucked on the remortgage, so this plan is a terrible idea.

Secondly - the idea that the debt is matched by an asset. Yes, kind of. However, the purpose of the buyback is to then impose a not for profit emphasis to the utility provider. But when you buy it, you're paying a price premium for all those lovely profits that the utility generates, that you will immediately strike out on day 1 and devalue your investment, so it absolutely would add to the deficit.

So the short, medium and long term analysis that there is no cost to the government of this proposal is incorrect. There may be very, very good reasons to do it, but because it is cost free is not a valid reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I just stuck this on facebook as hopefully a way to work out if there's anyone from work I can cull for having opposing views to me and thereby increase my facebook happiness and echo-chamberiness.
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I just stuck this on facebook as hopefully a way to work out if there's anyone from work I can cull for having opposing views to me and thereby increase my facebook happiness and echo-chamberiness.
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I've avoided that dilemma by failing to add anyone from work.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Having a rather limited Facebook audience (Hi!), I was limited until last week to only one person with offensive political views. That too resolved itself at the weekend when the intolerable cunt (my wife's sister in law) blocked both me and the wife as part of the snowball of shit that has gradually built over the past two years.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Mr Trump wrote:
“No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Gabrielle Giffords probably disagrees. Also Oliver Cromwell.

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Poor old Emperor Maximilian.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Well, that's an appropriate coincidence. Was just reading about New Orleans removing a statue of Robert E Lee when the 'Gone with the Wind' theme came on the radio.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Had a conservative drone knock on the door the other night.

Was not in the mood as child number 2 screams 22 hours a day.

After he had finished asking if I was voting for conservatives etc I said I thought May looked a bit odd.

He asked me what I meant and I said I thought she was a robot and that I knew for a fact Thatcher was one and I had evidence in the house I could show him if he wanted to come in.

Around the 2nd time, I said Robot he started moving slowly away from me down the drive, then declined my kind offer of tea and Thatcher robot discussions as he had a lot of other doors to knock on.

Cheered me up for a while and looking forward to other parties knocking on the door :)


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Kern wrote:
Well, that's an appropriate coincidence. Was just reading about New Orleans removing a statue of Robert E Lee when the 'Gone with the Wind' theme came on the radio.



Oooo.. the mayor of New Orleans has made an excellent speech on this (Vox transcript at end):

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These statues are not just stone and metal. They are not just innocent remembrances of a benign history. These monuments purposefully celebrate a fictional, sanitized Confederacy; ignoring the death, ignoring the enslavement, and the terror that it actually stood for.

After the Civil War, these statues were a part of that terrorism as much as a burning cross on someone’s lawn; they were erected purposefully to send a strong message to all who walked in their shadows about who was still in charge in this city.
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Instead of revering a 4-year brief historical aberration that was called the Confederacy we can celebrate all 300 years of our rich, diverse history as a place named New Orleans and set the tone for the next 300 years.
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The Confederacy was on the wrong side of history and humanity. It sought to tear apart our nation and subjugate our fellow Americans to slavery. This is the history we should never forget and one that we should never again put on a pedestal to be revered.


Might listen to it later.


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Barack Obama's just doing this to annoy Mr Trump, isn't he?

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Well at least the economy is holding up fine and that's the main thi..., oh:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 66286.html

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I've just voted. POSTALLY.

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