Be Excellent To Each Other

And started doing jingoistic WWII docos.

Lords defeat for the government; the upper House passed (by 358 to 256) an amendment to the A50 bill protecting the rights of EU citizens living in the UK.

This needed to be sorted out, but don't see very much on protecting the rights of UK citizens living in the EU?

How can the UK make law about that? Think about it.

Of course we can't, but maybe its better to be able to hold the protection of EU Citizens as a bargaining chip in the Article 50 negotiations to get the same deal for UK people in the EU, rather than playing the card before we start?

The rest of the EU aren't morons trying to kick out their immigrant population.

Are the UK? I thought that reducing numbers going forward was a key focus, but not aware we the UK was going to boot people out after we leave the EU?

Using people's lives and livelihoods as bargaining chips. Lovely.

All I mean is that we request the same stability for all the EU citizens, including all the UK ones who live in the EU

Not saying we start swapping peoples right to live in the UK for better trade deals etc

Reducing numbers in itself is moronic. We are a low birth rate nation with a huge and expensive elderly population. We desperately need immigration.

Just last week we brought in the minimum spouse wage rule and started booting people out as a result.

A warm and cosy Bercow yesterday, during Church Commissioner's Questions:



Also, a line from him just saying 'splendid' later on is very pleasing.

There were some nice tributes to the late Gerald Kaufman during the weekly House business debate yesterday, including this gem:

Theresa May is awful. She's making a speech to the Scottish Conservatives putting forward the case for Scotland staying in the UK. Pretty much all of her arguments could be translated for the UK to stay in the EU.

Well, yes, but she did vote to Remain, right?

Of more interest, I feel, is that the self-same arguments the SNP use for staying in the EU can largely be equally used for staying in the UK.

A UK within the EU, agreed. Which is why they voted to stay in the UK in 2014.

https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/837630957146550272

except rUK>Scot fiscal transfer is 10x /capita more than the (reverse direction) UK>EU + we share a UK currency

yeah, apart from that https://t.co/gT2VZf9WK1

— Kevin Hague (@kevverage) March 3, 2017

And if you have more time

https://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/ ... right.html

This guy spends much of his time busting Nat nonsense, propaganda and memes. He's got more patience and gumption in his little finger than I will ever possess in my whole body, that's for sure. I wouldn't make it through a single day of the crap he endures.

I can't see any of his memes on that site.

Nat's memes..? Trust me, he's full of 'em.

Imagine if you uncovered a Watergate-sized phone tapping scandal but you have such a short attention span that thirty minutes later you were tweeting about a TV show.

I literally just do not know where to start with Trump; he makes Corbyn look like Father of the Nation material. ?:Stack Overflow:

Maybe Corbyn is looking at him and thinking, "Well, I guess if they think he's qualified then I am too".

#block-58bd310be4b047c20d905db8" class="postlink">"Almost half of Labour members think Corbyn is doing badly as leader"

Ouch.

Yes, but consider this Mali: more than half of them think he *isn't* doing badly as leader.

Not necessarily. Some of them might not think anything at all.

Ain't that the truth.

I can see how if you disregard the media and polls and that, how you could believe he was doing a good job, much like how Trump supporters who read Breitbart don't even know Trump has had any scandals.

I can't see how there was still a decent chunk saying he was 'very likely' to win the next election!

Even entirely disregarding the media and polls (which you know, are pretty big things to disregard for would-be prime ministers and politicians), on what possible criteria could he be judged to be "doing a good job"...? His party is self-destructing, his MPs have mutinied, he's failed a vote of no-confidence and he can't even fill his Shadow cabinet; his position on things like Brexit is a joke. As for policies - and a whole bunch of stuff re Israel/Middle East/N. Ireland etc., I'm not even going to go there.

Fundamentally, there's a reason why Labour's support is utterly *tanking*, and it isn't all down to Teh Evils Right Wing Press.

By any sane, rational measure, he's very, very far from "doing a good job".

Tribalism rarely includes the ability to be honestly self-critical about the tribe you've hitched yourself to.

Very, very true.

Exactly.

They see him as standing up to the bad guys and that he's fighting the good fight against Teh Evils. It requires a fairly hefty dose of self-delusion.

Interestingly I cancelled my Labour membership due to Corbyn's waving through of the govt's unamended Brexit bill. I think I'm going to stay out of party politics for a while as none of them seem to represent me at the moment.

Heh. Laugh away, Myp, but I feel perfectly comfortable with my critical faculties and ability to be fair-minded and halfway objective at least - unlike some I could mention!

I know you were a fan IIRC, but Corbyn is an utter chump - far worse than even *I* thought he was going to be (bearing in mind I predicted he'd tear his party apart, so that's saying something). So, call a spade a spade.

this is amazing

Oh please. Just don't.

Oh I will, don't worry.


If you say so.


I was a "fan" only in the way that his aims and ideals matched a lot of what I also believed. It's now obvious that he won't be able to deliver on anything he promises and he has proved to be a complete shambles of a leader. I am not happy saying this as I hoped he would have been much better, but I am not too proud to admit he is not the answer to the country's problems (not that May or the Tories are either, at all).

Right, so as per usual, you and Gaywood turn the discussion into another bitter snark-fest about me personally, wow how original, how relevant.

Got anything to say about what we're discussing here, instead of either me somehow failing your oh-so-high standards, and/or just trolling?

I'm not snarking bitterly, I'm genuinely laughing at how high over your head the point of Cras's post sailed. Carry on!

If I didn't think keeping up to date with current events and trends was an important civic duty I'd probably spend the next few years avoiding it all and concentrating on good things. It's all rather depressing at the moment, and I feel in a similar way about the lack of representation.

nah you're alright

Right, so you're not snarking or anything, you're just snarking about something someone else posted supposedly going well over *my* head. Righto.

What is your view on the latest American Import: Publishing your tax return?

I find it well dull, and won't only taxable stuff be on there?

I don't doubt it. Still waiting for a response to my detailed, courteous answer to YOUR query re Cookie's post a few pages back, about the soaring FTSE250 and Sterling-Euro being about the same as it was for the whole of 2013 and 2014, and much of 2015. But of course, you're not actually interested in answers, are you Gaywood? Your only concern is whether or not you can snark, troll or bait - or score some petty, disingenuous point or other.

How rude. Irrespective of whether I like someone or not, if I go out of my way to ask them something and they post a genuine response to *my* query, I at least have the courtesy to respond.

So, next time, don't bother eh?

I don't agree with it generally, but I do agree with publicly shaming any politician who is prosecuted for tax fraud and suchlike.

I see Corbyn/Labour have likely shot themselves in the foot over this, their latest botched stunt?

I'm not snarking at all, it's genuinely funny! You're perhaps being a touch oversensitive.

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Who *is* that lady, Mali?
I have to say, she's really quite attractive.