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To be serious for one minute :p my question suggestion is "Why aren't the Middle Eastern States, with their huge resources (military and financial), not to mention moral duty and imperative, doing any of the heavy lifting with Isis, as this is their backyard, not ours. We didn't expect Saudi Arabia to sort out Northern Ireland?"


That's actually a very good question.


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To be serious for one minute :p my question suggestion is "Why aren't the Middle Eastern States, with their huge resources (military and financial), not to mention moral duty and imperative, doing any of the heavy lifting with Isis, as this is their backyard, not ours. We didn't expect Saudi Arabia to sort out Northern Ireland?"


That's actually a very good question.


But I'm not sure I've got the guts to ask it, even assuming they'd let me.
Seems to be quite the elephant in the room.

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I agree they could be doing more but I think it's a crap analogy because it can be quite convincingly argued that we had a hand in creating both of those situations.


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I agree they could be doing more but I think it's a crap analogy because it can be quite convincingly argued that we had a hand in creating both of those situations.

Also they don't have the white saviour complex that we do (or the military might).

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I agree they could be doing more but I think it's a crap analogy because it can be quite convincingly argued that we had a hand in creating both of those situations.

Also they don't have the white saviour complex that we do (or the military might).


I think we're keeping them in as the alternative is worse. Also, the states are a bit funny work one another and will not want to interfere as it'll most likely cross religious lines, which'll mess things up for them at home. Saudi Arabia was looked down upon for allowing you the US to use it as a staging post in Gulf War 1, if memory serves, and the whole Sunni/Shia thing won't help that either. Also, they won't take refugees in.

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But the gift this gives the Tories is bigger than just one day of easy, unopposed headlines. McDonnell’s bow to Mao, like his past praise for the IRA, or Corbyn’s reluctance to stop terrorist murderers or his refusal to sing the national anthem, or Ken Livingstone’s blaming of Blair rather than the killers for 7/7 – all these estrange Labour from large swaths of the British public, including that section of it that once saw Labour as its natural champion.

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That article is a criticism of the newspapers' reporting of what Corbyn et al does, not of what they actually do, but the journalist seems blissfully ignorant of it.

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That article is a criticism of the newspapers' reporting of what Corbyn et al does, not of what they actually do, but the journalist seems blissfully ignorant of it.


The inability of Corbyn and his camp to land telling and effective blows on the government is a result of this peculiar brand of politics they are playing. Trying to be too clever. And falling flat every time. Missing the chances to get their messages across because of silly, small choices that are naive at best.

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I'm not sure even that's quite fair, given the backtrack on tax credits and Saudi prison contracts - did the Tories present any as-effective opposition to the Labour government that we can remember? Described as a failure for those successes to seem bigger stories (than the trivia) to the section of the population disengaged with Labour, though, I couldn't disagree.


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The media has decided that Corbyn et al are failures. They predicted it and after being embarrassed by his success they will simply not countenance anything else. Corbyn has had some great success and has energised a huge part of the base, but the media are desperate to tell everyone he's a failure, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I'm not really sure what the Labour supporters who hate Corbyn want.

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Credibility in the leadership and a hope that it can deliver election wins.

Example: Not a news cycle with McDonnel quoting Mao and throwing a book at GO. The headlines should have been about how the tax credits climbdown was to do with GO's own ambitions and pressed that issue.

Example: Corbyn not singing national anthem. Headlines should have been about Tory rebels in the vote.

The shadow cabinet is terrible, too.
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Heh. Well, I didn't get to ask any questions but thoroughly enjoyed last night and actually agreed with much of what John McDonnell had to say about Syria (and incredibly was able to tell him so, one to one, at length after the programme and even took a "selfie" of us both, what a true gent and a nice guy!)

I even told him I was a one nation Conservative too; he only flinched very slightly as said it was good we still found common ground :)

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Credibility in the leadership and a hope that it can deliver election wins.

Example: Not a news cycle with McDonnel quoting Mao and throwing a book at GO. The headlines should have been about how the tax credits climbdown was to do with GO's own ambitions and pressed that issue.

Example: Corbyn not singing national anthem. Headlines should have been about Tory rebels in the vote.

The shadow cabinet is terrible, too.
Looks like a monkey fucking a football at times.


Yes, but the Labour Party don't control the newspapers. Tory donors do.

Take today: Corbyn, a man proved correct on the Iraq War, is reluctant for us to rush headlong into a war with no proven benefit for any side.

Cameron, a man proven wrong about the last war, and who two years ago was advocating bombing THE OTHER SIDE in this very same conflict, wants to fire off the bombs on the vague hope that it will destroy an ideology, with nothing actually to suggest that.

Yet Corbyn is apparently the extremist here! Since when was not rushing headlong into war the extremist position?

Also today: A Tory MP resigns in disgrace, despite having Cameron's full backing (much like Coulson, Brooks, Murdoch et al), in connection with bullying that led to a suicide. Said MP is already a proven fraudster.

This will pass mostly unnoticed.

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Which is why they cannot give them anything. They need to be doing more to control this.

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Which is why they cannot give them anything. They need to be doing more to control this.


How do you propose that happens? You appear to be arguing towards Rupert Murdoch being our dictator.

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Oh please Curio. The way you talk, you'd think Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al have spoken words of pure wisdom and been vindicated on everything from foreign policy to the economy, and the only reason why they're perceived as a bunch of loons you wouldn't entrust with a fucking electric iron, let alone running the country, is all supposedly down to evil, all-powerful Tory press barons controlling our thoughts.

FFS chap, people have eyes and ears.

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Which is why they cannot give them anything. They need to be doing more to control this.


How do you propose that happens? You appear to be arguing towards Rupert Murdoch being our dictator.


I'd posit that giving them as little as possible is a good starting point.

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Oh please Curio. The way you talk, you'd think Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al have spoken words of pure wisdom and been vindicated on everything from foreign policy to the economy, and the only reason why they're perceived as a bunch of loons you wouldn't entrust with a fucking electric iron, let alone running the country, is all supposedly down to evil, all-powerful Tory press barons controlling our thoughts.

FFS chap, people have eyes and ears.


But all the things that people seem angry about are all fucking ridiculous.

Not singing the anthem, going to a memorial service instead of a posh dinner, trying to avert war; these are the reasons people are giving for Corbyn being a lunatic. It's just genuinely insane. The situation in Syria is so much like the scene from 1984 where the hated enemy switched sides mid-speech that it's ridiculous. Yet pointing this out is ignored.

I still can't work out exactly what Corbyn has apparently done wrong, other than failed to suck off Murdoch.

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I can't work out why we must bomb Syria. Is it because

a) Isis openly want the West to escalate the conflict, and as Sun Tzu said, "always give your enemy what he wants"?
b) because something must be seen to be done, no matter how ineffective, but Cameron can't commit ground troops because of the blowback when ARE BRAVE LADS start coming home in body bags?
c) we actually believe that bombings without ground troops can stop an army, for the first time in history?
d) because it makes for some good press as the Labour Party tears itself apart over it?
e) all of the above?

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Heh. Well, I didn't get to ask any questions but thoroughly enjoyed last night and actually agreed with much of what John McDonnell had to say about Syria (and incredibly was able to tell him so, one to one, at length after the programme and even took a "selfie" of us both, what a true gent and a nice guy!)

I even told him I was a one nation Conservative too; he only flinched very slightly as said it was good we still found common ground :)

Heh, I spoke to him after he spoke at my local Fabian Society back in 2007, seemed very warm and approachable, and took time to speak to everyone who wanted a word. Nice bloke for a politician.


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The Metro is apparently running a headline of "Corbyn's free vote puts UK on brink of war".

Ummmmm.

He's the one opposing it you malignant fuckwits!

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The Metro is apparently running a headline of "Corbyn's free vote puts UK on brink of war".

Ummmmm.

He's the one opposing it you malignant fuckwits!

They're all at it, mate. It's totally depressing yet utterly unsurprising.

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I don't think dropping a few bombs on Syria will help. It didn't much help dropping a few bombs in Iraq. I don't know what the correct thing to do is. One extreme is do nothing, the other is invade and set up an authoritarian puppet government until it all calms down in 30 years, then declare it independent and let the cycle start over.

If the fear is potential terrorist attacks, then maybe that is the price to pay for not bombing people and taking refugees in like decent human beings in a position to do so. Kill them with kindness.

I can't see the point in bombing.

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ISIS want us to bomb them. They want to drive a wedge between white westerners and those muslims who live peacably in our countries. We would just be playing into their hands.

You cannot win a war against them without ground troops, so airstrikes is just a pointless flexing of military muscle.

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I think Peter Hitchens is talking sense here:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/peter-hitchens-on- ... ar--120456

If he really wanted to fight ISIS then it would mean forming some difficult alliances. But he doesn't, he just wants to fire some bombs because he wasn't allowed last time he asked, like some petulant fucking toddler.


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Peter Hitchens is a unrepentant Islamophobe though.

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Which bit of what he says there are you objecting to?


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Which bit of what he says there are you objecting to?

Umm. These for starters:
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Islamist is code for terrorist.
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“He still believes, for reasons I don’t fully understand, that the Assad regime is uniquely intolerable.”

I'm not sure what to say about this either.

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Also I don't particularly agree with siding with someone when they just so happen to agree with you on occasion. A stopped clock is right twice a day.

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ISIS want us to bomb them. They want to drive a wedge between white westerners and those muslims who live peacably in our countries. We would just be playing into their hands.

You cannot win a war against them without ground troops, so airstrikes is just a pointless flexing of military muscle.

As far as I'm aware, there are ground forces. They just so happen not to be "ours". And somewhat divided in goal.

It's also slightly incongrous that attacks on a a group creating something akin to a nation are allowed in one nation but not another, despite the national boundaries being essentially rewritten.

However, it would likely be political suicide to have the attacks around here happen and then show nothing in return, regardless. Which is probably the main driver.


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How is it a threat to our national security though? Surely bombing Syria will cause terrorist attacks in this country to be more likely, not less?

Of the 64 cities currently most likely to be hit by a terrorist attack only three are in Europe. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ttack.html

I'm pretty sure that would change if we went and bombed Syria back to the stone age, AGAIN.

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Which bit of what he says there are you objecting to?

Umm. These for starters:
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Islamist is code for terrorist.
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I'm not sure what to say about this either.

So you think there are 70,000 fighters just waiting to join in and he definitely hasn't just pulled that figure out of his arse like Blair with his 45 minute WMDs?

His confusion about why Cameron finds Assad to be *uniquely* intolerable made quite a lot of sense in the context of what he said about all the other terrible cunts Cameron has over for tea at Downing Street.

I usually find Peter Hitchens to be quite loathsome but I can't really fault his analysis here.


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How is it a threat to our national security though? Surely bombing Syria will cause terrorist attacks in this country to be more likely, not less?

I didn't say it was. I'm not a politician looking out for my job though.

As to what nature of influence they'll have. That depends entirely on how the press thete presents it. It's going to make little difference to the Isis news, we'd always be infidels. I don't pretend to know how the other nations will present it, but I don't think ISIS have won many friends there, what with declaring everyone else worthy of death. So if by helping their cause, a more sympathetic view of the west is given as a consequence, it may have met the goal...

It is, of course, not as simple as this, but with such a situation it's broadly impossible to find a right answer, just a least wrong one.
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It does seem a little odd. Cardiff seems an unlikely place to be targetted. And Belfast isn't British.

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Great Britain is England, Scotland, and Wales. Hence the UK being The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

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Great Britain is England, Scotland, and Wales. Hence the UK being The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The demonym of the United Kingdom is 'British' though.

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What's the demonym for people from GB?

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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What's the demonym for people from GB?


Also British, apparently. How useful.

I have just learned that a once-popular german slur for Brits was Inselaffe, however, which means 'Island Monkey'. Ace!

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Cras wrote:
Cras wrote:
What's the demonym for people from GB?


Also British, apparently. How useful.

I have just learned that a once-popular german slur for Brits was Inselaffe, however, which means 'Island Monkey'. Ace!

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Yeah so I would argue Belfast is a 'British' city, as it is contained within the UK. :shrug:

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