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Author:  markg [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:03 ]
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I'd question whether it's him being lazy or just being scrupulous with his records, it really wouldn't surprise me to learn that he also records whenever he leaves his office early too. Because despite being a very terrible leader of the opposition I always understood that he had a good record as a hard-working MP and didn't get embroiled in all the expenses mess etc.

But really without knowing the actual habits of most politicians there's no way to know if this is a story at all or just a complete distortion.

Author:  Trousers [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:03 ]
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Because always being "on the job" is definitely a good thing....

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Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:05 ]
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Squirt wrote:
Clearly he needs to take time off, but "time off in lieu" is a strange way of thinking off it. Senior politicians clearly can't have a set working week - if another financial crisis kicked off, or a WWIII-threatening incident occurs, he can't limit himself to a 48 hour week.


:this:

I was beginning to fear for my sanity

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:05 ]
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I think in the case at hand it's a stupid thing to do, even just for the way it looks. The wider concept of trying to strike a work/life balance I have a lot of time for.

It simply wouldn't be an issue if he was doing a great job. You'd say "Fair enough, if this is what helps you do this great job then you can do it". When you're a blithering incompetent like Corbyn it does seem like taking the piss somewhat.

Author:  Trousers [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:06 ]
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"Open goal again Jeremy - they've kicked a baby in front of a bus"
"Not now, I'm on my break FFS"

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:06 ]
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"I'm afraid the vote of no confidence will just have to wait. I won't exceed the 48 hour Working Time Directive for anyone, and I need a toilet break"

:D

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:08 ]
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Cavey wrote:
"I'm afraid the vote of no confidence will just have to wait. I won't exceed the 48 hour Working Time Directive for anyone, and I need a toilet break"

:D


Wait, that's an EU regulation, isn't it? He's dead set against those fuckers these days.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:09 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Cavey wrote:
"I'm afraid the vote of no confidence will just have to wait. I won't exceed the 48 hour Working Time Directive for anyone, and I need a toilet break"

:D


Wait, that's an EU regulation, isn't it? He's dead set against those fuckers these days.


What do you mean "these days"?

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:09 ]
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There are a lot (A LOT) of things to criticise the man for, but I don't think this is one of them. I'm sure during his two leadership campaigns for example he worked incredibly long hours.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:10 ]
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48 and a quarter

Author:  Hero of Excellence [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:10 ]
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He always was. He just pretended otherwise a few weeks before becoming Labour leader.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:22 ]
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Maybe it's a way of saying that the Labour leadership are so disorganised they don't have a proper planning grid but without admitting as much?

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 16:55 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
There are a lot (A LOT) of things to criticise the man for, but I don't think this is one of them. I'm sure during his two leadership campaigns for example he worked incredibly long hours.


Prep for the job interview, half-ass the job.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:03 ]
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Perhaps this is where the confusion arises: I think few would argue that Corbyn's performance is inversely proportional to the weekly aggregate time he spends trying to do the job.
Thus, the more time off in lieu he takes, the better his Party's fortunes.

So yeah, if I were a Labour voter, I'd be imploring Andrew Marr to lock him in the Green Room and throw away the key.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:11 ]
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I think taking TOIL to appear on a poltics show ridiculous. It's the job of being the leader of the opposition.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:14 ]
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MaliA wrote:
I think taking TOIL to appear on a poltics show ridiculous. It's the job of being the leader of the opposition.

But he didn't sign an opt out from the WTD, though, so YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM. It's his rights, innit.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:21 ]
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MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I think taking TOIL to appear on a poltics show ridiculous. It's the job of being the leader of the opposition.

But he didn't sign an opt out from the WTD, though, so YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM. It's his rights, innit.


It's mind boggling he might do.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:21 ]
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MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I think taking TOIL to appear on a poltics show ridiculous. It's the job of being the leader of the opposition.

But he didn't sign an opt out from the WTD, though, so YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM. It's his rights, innit.


No-one's suggesting he's breaking any laws, or even doing anything that isn't within his rights.
But you know, there's life beyond the letter of the law: there's what's morally right given the circumstances (e.g. £170k salary to be Leader of HM Opposition, upon which giving political interviews on TV/media is absolutely fundamental to perform that role etc.), as well as precedent (ever heard of anyone else who's done this job doing this?) and even just good old, much maligned common sense.

I'm stunned that people struggle with this. But then, I am a Tory after all....

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:22 ]
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MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I think taking TOIL to appear on a poltics show ridiculous. It's the job of being the leader of the opposition.

But he didn't sign an opt out from the WTD, though, so YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM. It's his rights, innit.


It's mind boggling he might do.


Sadly though, Mali, this is the mindset among many people now, here included it would appear.
No wonder the UK's productivity absolutely sucks. :(

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:23 ]
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Cavey wrote:
MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I think taking TOIL to appear on a poltics show ridiculous. It's the job of being the leader of the opposition.

But he didn't sign an opt out from the WTD, though, so YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM. It's his rights, innit.


No-one's suggesting he's breaking any laws, or even doing anything that isn't within his rights.
But you know, there's life beyond the letter of the law: there's what's morally right given the circumstances (e.g. £170k salary to be Leader of HM Opposition, upon which giving political interviews on TV/media is absolutely fundamental to perform that role etc.), as well as precedent (ever heard of anyone else who's done this job doing this?) and even just good old, much maligned common sense.

I'm stunned that people struggle with this.

I'm stunned that you're extrapolating so much from a rumour when people from all walks of life in different jobs do this sort of thing on a regular basis if they value their home life as much as their work life. It's so weird.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:25 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
I'm stunned that you're extrapolating so much from a rumour when people from all walks of life in different jobs do this sort of thing on a regular basis if they value their home life as much as their work life. It's so weird.


I'm stunned you didn't read where I've repeatedly said if it's true etc.
Besides, if that's your position, i.e. it's all bollocks and we shouldn't even be discussing it, what have you been doing the last couple of pages? :roll:

If you're going to troll, you need to be much, much better than this I'm afraid. Next?

Author:  DBSnappa [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:30 ]
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I think he should do more television. A lot more...

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:32 ]
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DBSnappa wrote:
I think he should do more television. A lot more...


:D
Indeed, yes, my point precisely DBS.
/tips hat

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 17:33 ]
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Who? Myp?

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 18:04 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Who? Myp?


Oh god can you even imagine?

Author:  Findus Fop [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 18:20 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Who? Myp?


Oh god can you even imagine?


Did anyone watch Naked Attraction on Channel 4?

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 18:45 ]
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I [know people - Ed] on [large amounts of money- Ed] a year who take time off in lieu without allowing it for their staff, so this all seems reasonable.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 18:51 ]
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JC: "Right! That's it! I'm being crushed under the weight of having to do 49.8 hour weeks! I can't hack it, I'm going on strike!" *clenches manicured left fist*

PLP:

:excellent:

Author:  Nik [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 21:33 ]
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Trousers wrote:
Because always being "on the job" is definitely a good thing....

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"Answer the call" is a euphemism for "go for a piss", surely?

Author:  Kern [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:25 ]
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Just read yesterday's PMQ transcripts. I thought Mr Corbyn did a pretty good job of going for the government's weak spots. Unfortunately, it was all drowned out by his poor party management and leadership.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:26 ]
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Also, a reasonable Bercow today:

Quote:
Order. Mr Docherty-Hughes, you seem to be in a state of permanent over-excitement. Calm yourself, man. Take some sort of medicament and it will soothe you. We must hear Mrs Villiers.


Giphy "john bercow":
http://media.giphy.com/media/oLa9Oy9OkI18I/giphy-loop.mp4

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:10 ]
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p Davies to attend Ladies First event,

Author:  Kern [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:06 ]
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I'm quietly ashamed that the government ended a programme to let unaccompanied refugee children into the country, and snuck it out in a written statement.

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:09 ]
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MaliA wrote:

He's going to turn up and demand that a similar programme be put in place for single fathers or it should be banned, isn't he? Tw@t.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:11 ]
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MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:

He's going to turn up and demand that a similar programme be put in place for single fathers or it shroud be banned, isn't he? Tw@t.


He's watched About A Boy

Author:  devilman [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:12 ]
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Kern wrote:
Just read yesterday's PMQ transcripts. I thought Mr Corbyn did a pretty good job of going for the government's weak spots. Unfortunately, it was all drowned out by his poor party management and leadership.


I see his 'Real fight starts now' tweet has rightly been ridiculed this morning.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:14 ]
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devilman wrote:
I see his 'Real fight starts now' tweet has rightly been ridiculed this morning.


Oh god. Has he realised he's the leader of the second largest party in the House of Commons, not a stump speaker at a political rally? Should we tell him?

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:49 ]
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Trump's government lost an appeal to overturn the stay on the Muslim ban immigration order last night. In response he tweeted SEE YOU IN COURT.

Court is where appeals happen. He was in court. Court is where the attorneys work so that's super convenient for them.

Also, the WA attorney general said in an interview "we've seen him in court and we're two-for-two so far."

Author:  myp [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:54 ]
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C U iN courT

Author:  Trousers [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:03 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
C U iN courT


Next Tuesday?

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:04 ]
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In other Trump news:

1) Nordstrom (large department store chain) dropped Ivanka Trump's clothing line, citing poor sales
2) Trump tweeted "My daughter Ivanka has been treated so unfairly by @Nordstrom. She is a great person -- always pushing me to do the right thing! Terrible!"
3) That was retweeted from the @POTUS account, which has is deemed to be an official Whitehouse comms channel (e.g. it must be archived under the President's Act)
4) On live TV, inside the Whitehouse briefing room, Kellyanne Conway said "Go buy Ivanka's stuff, is what I would say. It's a wonderful line, I own some of it. I'm going to give a free commercial here, go buy it today."
5) Federal statue 5 CFR 2635.702 says "An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise",
6) Most likely, nothing will come of this because no-one other than the President can take much meaningful action to discipline Conway, plus a million other outrageous things have happened since so the news cycle is already moving on

Checks-'n'-balances, mmmhmmm.

Author:  markg [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:06 ]
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Still think that the stupid wotsit cunt will properly trip himself up sooner rather than later.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:19 ]
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markg wrote:
I'd question whether it's him being lazy or just being scrupulous with his records, it really wouldn't surprise me to learn that he also records whenever he leaves his office early too. Because despite being a very terrible leader of the opposition I always understood that he had a good record as a hard-working MP and didn't get embroiled in all the expenses mess etc.

But really without knowing the actual habits of most politicians there's no way to know if this is a story at all or just a complete distortion.


From eye,:

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:20 ]
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http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/you-pe ... e-pr-55143

Author:  markg [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:21 ]
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Yeah, that sounds pretty bad.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:22 ]
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That Eye clipping image is wrong in basically every way. Bad white balance, too big, rotated, bad lighting... It is the Donald Trump presidency of quote tags.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:24 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That Eye clipping image is wrong in basically every way. Bad white balance, too big, rotated, bad lighting... It is the Donald Trump presidency of quote tags.


There's a very good reason we're found at different ends of the camera.

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:35 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That Eye clipping image is wrong in basically every way. Bad white balance, too big, rotated, bad lighting... It is the Donald Trump presidency of quote tags.


There's a very good reason we're found at different ends of the camera.

Bravo sir.

Author:  Squirt [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:37 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Trump's government lost an appeal to overturn the stay on the Muslim ban immigration order last night. In response he tweeted SEE YOU IN COURT.

Court is where appeals happen. He was in court. Court is where the attorneys work so that's super convenient for them.

Also, the WA attorney general said in an interview "we've seen him in court and we're two-for-two so far."

Someone tweeted that shouting "See you in court!" directly after losing a court case is the sort of thing Gene Wilder would do in a Mel Brooks movie.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:02 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That Eye clipping image is wrong in basically every way. Bad white balance, too big, rotated, bad lighting... It is the Donald Trump presidency of quote tags.

There's a very good reason we're found at different ends of the camera.

rekt

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