Political Banter and Debate Thread

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Curiosity wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Curiosity wrote:

From all I heard, Byron were breaking the law and didn't really care at all until they were caught, at which point they cut a 'plea bargain' to fuck over their employees so they got to save their own skins.

What should they have done, though?

Not illegally employed people on a large scale over a period of years.

Did they knowingly do that?

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

So you think they employed people illegally in full knowledge. That would make a difference, for sure, but I don't know why they'd bother doing that. I assume they'd still pay at least minimum wage, and it doesn't sound like the types of jobs that would be impossible to fill legally?

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:43

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Curiosity wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Curiosity wrote:

From all I heard, Byron were breaking the law and didn't really care at all until they were caught, at which point they cut a 'plea bargain' to fuck over their employees so they got to save their own skins.

What should they have done, though?

Not illegally employed people on a large scale over a period of years.

Did they knowingly do that?

FTFY

[edit] Woah

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Cras wrote:

I love the idea of a slang term that you know is so obscure that when writing it you pre-empt responses by linking to its meaning

It's just such a wonderful turn of phrase that I wanted to share it with you all.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Lonewolves wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Until we do, it seems to me getting angry at the government would be more logical and productive.

Try boycotting government and see how far that gets you.

SPOILER ALERT IT'S JAIL

TIL Myp is a libertarian

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:47

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Until we do, it seems to me getting angry at the government would be more logical and productive.

Try boycotting government and see how far that gets you.

SPOILER ALERT IT'S JAIL

TIL Myp is a libertarian

No, that's Nervous Pete. Works in the tallest building in Wales. The one with 1,000 storeys.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Mimi wrote:

So you think they employed people illegally in full knowledge. That would make a difference, for sure,...

...yes, but it still wouldn't make Byron Burger morally culpable for the entirety of UK immigration law and the Home Office's chosen methods of enforcing that law.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

MaliA wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

TIL Myp is a libertarian

No, that's Nervous Pete. Works in the tallest building in Wales. The one with 1,000 storeys.

https://twitter.com/cdeagle/status/757665639041425408

Me: how could you marry him
Her: daddy, you said libertarians broaden our worldview and expose us to new ideas
Me, through tears: Librarians
— david eagle (@cdeagle) July 25, 2016

Quote:

Me: how could you marry him
Her: daddy, you said libertarians broaden our worldview and expose us to new ideas
Me, through tears: Librarians

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Mimi wrote:

So you think they employed people illegally in full knowledge. That would make a difference, for sure,...

...yes, but it still wouldn't make Byron Burger morally culpable for the entirety of UK immigration law and the Home Office's chosen methods of enforcing that law.

I don't think people are angry at them for the fact that the Home Office enacted the law. I think they're angry that Byron basically did the HO's job for them and rounded people up for arrest.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:52

Cras wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Mimi wrote:

So you think they employed people illegally in full knowledge. That would make a difference, for sure,...

...yes, but it still wouldn't make Byron Burger morally culpable for the entirety of UK immigration law and the Home Office's chosen methods of enforcing that law.

I don't think people are angry at them for the fact that the Home Office enacted the law. I think they're angry that Byron basically did the HO's job for them and rounded people up for arrest.

Batman's first night in the UK isn't going to go well, then.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:55

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Curiosity wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Curiosity wrote:

From all I heard, Byron were breaking the law and didn't really care at all until they were caught, at which point they cut a 'plea bargain' to fuck over their employees so they got to save their own skins.

What should they have done, though?

Not illegally employed people on a large scale over a period of years.

Did they knowingly do that?

Almost certainly. At the very least, they would have had lax internal controls over identification assessment, of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" variety (or maybe outsourced to someone cheap and shoddy).

As someone in the business of the application of internal controls, a competent process really shouldn't fail to that degree, ever, especially as that's literally HR's main responsibility in a company.

After that, yeah, they have to shop them, but by all accounts they did it in a really shitty manner.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

Grim... wrote:

Cras wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Mimi wrote:

So you think they employed people illegally in full knowledge. That would make a difference, for sure,...

...yes, but it still wouldn't make Byron Burger morally culpable for the entirety of UK immigration law and the Home Office's chosen methods of enforcing that law.

I don't think people are angry at them for the fact that the Home Office enacted the law. I think they're angry that Byron basically did the HO's job for them and rounded people up for arrest.

Batman's first night in the UK isn't going to go well, then.

Does he frequent Byrons?

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:56

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Mimi wrote:

So you think they employed people illegally in full knowledge. That would make a difference, for sure,...

...yes, but it still wouldn't make Byron Burger morally culpable for the entirety of UK immigration law and the Home Office's chosen methods of enforcing that law.

I don't think most people blame Byron for UK immigration law, tbf.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:02

Sheesh. And there was me thinking Byron was a poet, not a purveyor of hipster burgers.
Shows what I know, huh.

Me? I'm a double sausage and egg McMuffin(tm) man. With two hash browns and a black coffee, ta.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Cavey wrote:

Sheesh. And there was me thinking Byron was a poet, not a purveyor of hipster burgers.
Shows what I know, huh.

Me? I'm a double sausage and egg McMuffin(tm) man. With two has browns and a black coffee, ta.

Hell yes. Though OJ because I can't stand their coffee.

Byron aren't even close to hipster in the current burger market.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:09

It probably does to me though mate.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Cavey wrote:

Me? I'm a double sausage and egg McMuffin(tm) man. With two has browns and a black coffee, ta.

Put one of the hashbrowns inside the McMuffin.

Then order a third hashbrown, because they're the best things on that breakfast menu.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:13

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Cavey wrote:

Me? I'm a double sausage and egg McMuffin(tm) man. With two has browns and a black coffee, ta.

Put one of the hashbrowns inside the McMuffin.

Then order a third hashbrown, because they're the best things on that breakfast menu.

Man, you are a genius - hangovers will never be as bad again.

But to be serious - I thoroughly agree with you on this one.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:15

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Cavey wrote:

Me? I'm a double sausage and egg McMuffin(tm) man. With two has browns and a black coffee, ta.

Put one of the hashbrowns inside the McMuffin.

Then order a third hashbrown, because they're the best things on that breakfast menu.

"How many hash browns do you have ready right now?"
"Er... Five.. seven... Thirteen!"
"Yes."
"I'm sorry?"
"Yes."

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

I like hash browns, but I don't think I could eat more than one. They are like sponges for hot oil.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6534

Just give me all the hash browns you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, "Give me a lot of hash browns." What I said was, "Give me all the hash browns you have". Do you understand?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

On the way back from yours after Download, Jacket cained it to the McDonalds on the A1, and we got there bang on 10:30.

"Two Double Sausage and Egg McMuffin meals please"
"We're finishing breakfast service. Want what we've got left?"
"Sure"

Paid for 2 DS&E, got 3 DS&E and seven hash browns. Nice.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6534

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

Life's greatest winner, there.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Cavey wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Put one of the hashbrowns inside the McMuffin.

Then order a third hashbrown, because they're the best things on that breakfast menu.

Man, you are a genius - hangovers will never be as bad again.

To be fair, I'm only cribbing from whichever smart person told KFC to put hashbrowns in the Zinger Tower burgers.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

KFC hashbrowns are better too. Also, the sausage in a BK breakfast roll is better, but doesn't come with McDs cheese and their breakfast potato offering is pisspoor. Someone should run a service mashing up all of these features.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

KFC hashbrowns are better too.

What.

Quote:

Also, the sausage in a BK breakfast roll is better

What?!

Dead to me.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Cras wrote:

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Also, the sausage in a BK breakfast roll is better

What?!
Dead to me.

There's something in the seasoning of that American-style sausage patty thing that McDonalds use that I don't entirely care for. Can't put my finger on it.

BK used to do breakfast rolls with a swirly Cumberland-style sausage that were very nice. I don't know if they still do.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Also dead to me.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Cras wrote:

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Also, the sausage in a BK breakfast roll is better

What?!
Dead to me.

There's something in the seasoning of that American-style sausage patty thing that McDonalds use that I don't entirely care for. Can't put my finger on it.

BK used to do breakfast rolls with a swirly Cumberland-style sausage that were very nice. I don't know if they still do.

Now... There's a thing. I remember that, but it was only in some BKs. I'm sure all the ones at mainline large train stations had them, but never saw them in high street branches. I used to get one for my brothers to share and if have all the mini hash browns.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

The BK sandwiches were disgusting because of that slab of what I can only assume was someone who's never seen or eaten scrambled egg thinks is what scrambled egg should be like.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

BK used to do breakfast rolls with a swirly Cumberland-style sausage that were very nice. I don't know if they still do.

That is what I was referring to. However I think BK do croissantwiches now.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

ohmigod http://www.burgerking.co.uk/menu-item/s ... hash-brown

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 14:28

Very political thread.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 14:37

Curiosity wrote:

Very political thread.

Shush, you. It doesn't get any more political than arguing about which bacon products to invest in, post piss up.

(Besides, I thought you'd welcome it; we can always go back to talking about Labour's, ahem, 'fortunes' if you'd prefer old chap

)

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Cras wrote:

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Also, the sausage in a BK breakfast roll is better

What?!
Dead to me.

There's something in the seasoning of that American-style sausage patty thing that McDonalds use that I don't entirely care for. Can't put my finger on it.

BK used to do breakfast rolls with a swirly Cumberland-style sausage that were very nice. I don't know if they still do.

Now... There's a thing. I remember that, but it was only in some BKs. I'm sure all the ones at mainline large train stations had them, but never saw them in high street branches. I used to get one for my brothers to share and if have all the mini hash browns.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 14:40

That's got to be the longest gap between a double post I've ever seen.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 14:41

I was thinking, I'm sure I've read that somewhere before!

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Ashcroft focus group of post-Brexit political landscape:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/07/po ... ers-react/

Quote:

As for the Labour Party, “where do you start? I’ve never seen a party like it. It’s a farce.” Jeremy Corbyn “is the greatest thing for the Tory party that ever happened. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. Totally unelectable”. Labour voters thought him “unprofessional” and “too far to the left”, and the party “a right mess”, “a catastrophe”, and “a basket case”. The party was no longer representing its voters: “The membership is students, extremists, socialists, the far left;” “I hope May doesn’t call an election. We would be entirely wiped out.” Labour’s disintegration had left “a massive chasm at the centre of politics. If there was a new party, I’d give them a go.” Even Tories were worried: “It’s not good news that the party is so weak. I voted Conservative, but it means there is no debate about their plans.”

Nobody had an opinion about Corbyn’s leadership challenger (“Oliver something?”), though one said they had seen him on Newsnight: “He was good, but any of us would look good on Newsnight now that Paxman’s gone.” Even if he won and turned out to be competent, the party was such a mess that “it will take him some time to get it right.”

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

Cavey wrote:

I was thinking, I'm sure I've read that somewhere before!

Oh, that's me! Oops. I was typing when some ducks started nibbling my feet so I got distracted and stopped to feed them and when I got home the post was still there still pending so I assumed it hadn't posted?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Mimi wrote:

I was typing when some ducks started nibbling my feet

This is Mimi, so I'd guess a 50/50 chance that this is an autocorrect typo or a factual account of events.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25671

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Mimi wrote:

I was typing when some ducks started nibbling my feet

This is Mimi, so I'd guess a 50/50 chance that this is an autocorrect typo or a factual account of events.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12299

That's a weird looking pokemon.

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 15:34

Aww.

Awesome!

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 15:45

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Ashcroft focus group of post-Brexit political landscape:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/07/po ... ers-react/

Quote:

As for the Labour Party, “where do you start? I’ve never seen a party like it. It’s a farce.” Jeremy Corbyn “is the greatest thing for the Tory party that ever happened. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. Totally unelectable”. Labour voters thought him “unprofessional” and “too far to the left”, and the party “a right mess”, “a catastrophe”, and “a basket case”. The party was no longer representing its voters: “The membership is students, extremists, socialists, the far left;” “I hope May doesn’t call an election. We would be entirely wiped out.” Labour’s disintegration had left “a massive chasm at the centre of politics. If there was a new party, I’d give them a go.” Even Tories were worried: “It’s not good news that the party is so weak. I voted Conservative, but it means there is no debate about their plans.”

Nobody had an opinion about Corbyn’s leadership challenger (“Oliver something?”), though one said they had seen him on Newsnight: “He was good, but any of us would look good on Newsnight now that Paxman’s gone.” Even if he won and turned out to be competent, the party was such a mess that “it will take him some time to get it right.”

Yeah, I can't really see many people disagreeing with this analysis, it is pretty much bang on.

This bit did make me LOL though:

Quote:

If our political leaders were characters in Game Of Thrones, which characters would they be? Theresa May: “Catelyn Stark, or Margaery Tyrell – plays all sides, you don’t really know what she’s up to.” Nicola Sturgeon: “Cersei Lannister. Knows what she wants and will do anything to get it.” Jeremy Corbyn: “The little one. Tyrion Lannister.” What about Owen Smith? “An extra.”

Harsh but fair, huh.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Anyone who thinks it's an insult to call Jeremy Corbyn Tyrion Lannister is someone who doesn't watch Game of Thrones

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 16:00

Gove is Joffrey

Boris is Hot Pie

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 16:05

Curiosity wrote:

Gove is Joffrey

Boris is Hot Pie

SO IS YOUR FACE

Cavey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 29, 2016 16:06

'Owzat for cerebral political discourse?

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