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Dimrill wrote:

My hardly ever used DS Lite holds enough charge for about 2 hours.
My laptop battery has been replaced twice in 18 months.
My Xbox play and charge kit battery was replaced within the first year.
None of the phones I've owned has had a battery live over nine months.

My 5 year old iBook has a battery life of about 3.5 hours.

/anecdote off.

Malabar Front wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

LewieP wrote:

You can get a 16gb microSD card for $53

This is what gets me. Twunts.

SD cards are slow and unreliable. I don't see this as a valid argument.

And who says you'd have to replace the battery in six months' time? People say this about every Apple product every time one is released. Times I've ever had to replace a battery on any gadget ever: none. And Apple would no doubt provide a service to do so for you, or you could do it yourself. iPhones are apparently easy to take apart these days.

Thats twice I've needed this pointed out to me. I forget that SD cards are pig shit at running. There is a huge difference between SD card level memory and the stuff in the iPhone at least.

GazChap wrote:

No multitasking is gonna fuck students right over. Want to take notes while looking up things on Wikipedia? Tough shit, son!

That's why you get one of these in addition to an iPhone. One device per task.

Dr Lave wrote:

Dimrill wrote:

My 5 year old iBook has a battery life of about 3.5 hours.

/anecdote off.

Malabar Front wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

LewieP wrote:

You can get a 16gb microSD card for $53

This is what gets me. Twunts.

Thats twice I've needed this pointed out to me. I forget that SD cards are pig shit at running. There is a huge difference between SD card level memory and the stuff in the iPhone at least.

But what are you using that memory for? The chances are that the vast majority of it will be for Music/Video storage. Which SD cards are more than capable of doing.

BigPod

Should have been something I could use Photoshop and illustrator on and I'd have sold a kidney.

Meh

*eyelidflutter* Steve Jobs said "Hi, Stephen" *swoon*

Zardoz wrote:

BigPod

Should have been something I could use Photoshop and illustrator on and I'd have sold a kidney.

Meh

Why can't it be?

It is almost ideal to have around the home. Look up TV guide, booking tickets online, subscribe to the paper and read it in the evening. The sort of thing that is too faffy to do on a phone and too much hassle to fire up a laptop. (Or even a netbook, the ease of the tablet against the clamshell of a netbook case...)

That sort of thing isn't worth $499 though.

Well, that and the fact that you can actually read eInk for more than ten minutes without eye cancer.

Reading something long on a screen just makes me want to weep. eInk might be fine to read, but in terms of price, no contest.

Just looking at Jobs' face makes me think he really would like a croissant and a glass of transparent wine there.

Well, that and the fact that you can actually read eInk for more than ten minutes without eye cancer.

Final point, £300 is cheap enough for a lot of gadget fans with disposable income to take a punt on even if they don't think it will suit them especially. Like I said, it's the same price as a crappy plasticy netbook which isn't really much fun to use with a full-size-machine OS on.

Sort of agreed. I think the data is the main issue. You're not going to get rid of your iPhone, because the iPad just isn't quite portable enough, and it isn't a phone. So you're stuck with having two 3G data contracts. That's pricey, in anyone's book.

Final point, £300 is cheap enough for a lot of gadget fans with disposable income to take a punt on even if they don't think it will suit them especially.

Author:	kalmar [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:11 ]
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It is a fair point about the batteries, just about excusable in the phone but wouldn't wash on a gadget like that. My iPhone is nearly 2 years old and still has the original on time as far as I can tell. It's not impossible to replace though, I have opened iPhones up. And with the value of the things, they never get thrown away, just repaired or sold off to someone who will repair it.

Author:	LewieP [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:11 ]
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Dr Lave wrote: Dimrill wrote: My hardly ever used DS Lite holds enough charge for about 2 hours. My laptop battery has been replaced twice in 18 months. My Xbox play and charge kit battery was replaced within the first year. None of the phones I've owned has had a battery live over nine months. My 5 year old iBook has a battery life of about 3.5 hours. /anecdote off. Malabar Front wrote: Dr Lave wrote: LewieP wrote: You can get a 16gb microSD card for $53 This is what gets me. Twunts. SD cards are slow and unreliable. I don't see this as a valid argument. And who says you'd have to replace the battery in six months' time? People say this about every Apple product every time one is released. Times I've ever had to replace a battery on any gadget ever: none. And Apple would no doubt provide a service to do so for you, or you could do it yourself. iPhones are apparently easy to take apart these days. Thats twice I've needed this pointed out to me. I forget that SD cards are pig shit at running. There is a huge difference between SD card level memory and the stuff in the iPhone at least. But what are you using that memory for? The chances are that the vast majority of it will be for Music/Video storage. Which SD cards are more than capable of doing.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:13 ]
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LewieP wrote: GazChap wrote: No multitasking is gonna fuck students right over. Want to take notes while looking up things on Wikipedia? Tough shit, son! That's why you get one of these in addition to an iPhone. One device per task. Multitasking I genuinely don't miss on the iPhone. Apps do their purposes and it takes a negligible time to load any one. Dropping out of twittie and into another app takes neglibly more time than minimising and maximising a window. Of course that argument goes out the window if the instant starts of the iPhone go missing with the iPad. What I do miss massively is backgrounding processes. I want tiny tasks that can be set in the background. Things like androids 'locate' and so on. That said, I would rather a quick mono-task device than a sluggish multitasker. Oooh, just thought, a central app like OS X's 'Growl' that runs in the background. Apps can send requests for context/location/event circumstance to cause something to happen and growl runs to take care of them. That would be the best of both worlds.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:17 ]
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LewieP wrote: Dr Lave wrote: Dimrill wrote: My hardly ever used DS Lite holds enough charge for about 2 hours. My laptop battery has been replaced twice in 18 months. My Xbox play and charge kit battery was replaced within the first year. None of the phones I've owned has had a battery live over nine months. My 5 year old iBook has a battery life of about 3.5 hours. /anecdote off. Malabar Front wrote: Dr Lave wrote: LewieP wrote: You can get a 16gb microSD card for $53 This is what gets me. Twunts. SD cards are slow and unreliable. I don't see this as a valid argument. And who says you'd have to replace the battery in six months' time? People say this about every Apple product every time one is released. Times I've ever had to replace a battery on any gadget ever: none. And Apple would no doubt provide a service to do so for you, or you could do it yourself. iPhones are apparently easy to take apart these days. Thats twice I've needed this pointed out to me. I forget that SD cards are pig shit at running. There is a huge difference between SD card level memory and the stuff in the iPhone at least. But what are you using that memory for? The chances are that the vast majority of it will be for Music/Video storage. Which SD cards are more than capable of doing. Not in my personal use. I have the complete collection of the Pixies and some Podcasts. Everything else is streamed in. The vast majority is for holding apps. That and I've never had much joy running vids off SD cards. Though that probably says more about my aging laptop.

Author:	Malabelm [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:19 ]
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LewieP wrote: But what are you using that memory for? The chances are that the vast majority of it will be for Music/Video storage. Which SD cards are more than capable of doing. They're still slow and unreliable. Looking at SD benchmarks around the web, there aren't many with read speeds greater than about 8MB/s. I'd be infuriated copying and playing from such a slow card. And they're still unreliable.

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Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:23 ]
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BigPod Should have been something I could use Photoshop and illustrator on and I'd have sold a kidney. Meh

Author:	Malabelm [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:25 ]
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Zardoz wrote: BigPod Should have been something I could use Photoshop and illustrator on and I'd have sold a kidney. Meh Ditto. If I could do some real work on it, I'd be sold in an instant, especially seeing as I fully plan to splash out on a Macbook Pro some time this year. I don't see the potential so far, but I'm happy and eager to be proved wrong.

Author:	Dimrill [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:26 ]
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Nice to see the famous impartial Stephen Fry's opinion on it.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:35 ]
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Zardoz wrote: BigPod Should have been something I could use Photoshop and illustrator on and I'd have sold a kidney. Meh Why can't it be? If the iWork is as 'proper' as it looks I don't see why Adobe can't release a good version of PS and illustrator. Well apart from the fact that Adobe make the most bloated software on Earth.

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:36 ]
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What does he say about it?

Author:	Dimrill [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:38 ]
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Quote: eyelidflutter Steve Jobs said "Hi, Stephen" swoon

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:41 ]
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Dr Lave wrote: Zardoz wrote: BigPod Should have been something I could use Photoshop and illustrator on and I'd have sold a kidney. Meh Why can't it be? Because of scientific reasons.

Author:	Malabelm [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:45 ]
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After watching the video on the Apple site, and having a think about it, I'm warming to the idea. If I could do some coding and uploading or basic graphic design on there, I'd be instantly sold. I don't doubt there will be such programs available at some point. It looks absolutely ace for just lounging about with, taking on mid-long journeys etc. and wouldn't replace my phone as my true mobile device. Interesting potential. It's a lot cheaper than I was expecting, too.

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:45 ]
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Looks like an iPhone for people with fat hands.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 0:39 ]
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The basic iPad is $499 for 16Gb, 10" screen and 10hrs battery (when decoding video, so hopefully more for reading). The Kindle DX with 4Gb, 10"s e-ink b/w screen and 7 entire days battery is $489. So $10 in it. The battery is the deal breaker that prevents it being a whitewash really, but I can't imagine many geeks getting a Kindle with that kind of comparison. (I've assumed open formats, txt files, pdfs etc, can be read on both),

Author:	Mr Dave [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:02 ]
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Library = Free. Also: Legal.

Author:	DavPaz [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:36 ]
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Colour E-ink is more than possible. Keep watching the skis... er skies. http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/delt ... y-q2-2010/

Author:	Cras [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:08 ]
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Heh. Also, can we stop having proprietary eBook stores, please! It's fucking hard enough getting books as it is without having publishers signing up to sell their books only via certain stores, OK?

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:47 ]
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It's a wankers dream.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:54 ]
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At the risk of more bashing here.... I like reading the internet, but using a desktop is pretty horrible, and a laptop only marginally better. I've been using my iPhone a lot for just browisng, despite the tiny screen, because it's just much more natural. If it's really 10 hrs with wifi, then to me, this replaces the kindle* as the book reader I want. Obviously far to expensive to actually buy, but STILL. * well till now the ecooler thingy looked the leader to me.

Author:	Plissken [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:56 ]
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It is almost ideal to have around the home. Look up TV guide, booking tickets online, subscribe to the paper and read it in the evening. The sort of thing that is too faffy to do on a phone and too much hassle to fire up a laptop. (Or even a netbook, the ease of the tablet against the clamshell of a netbook case...) That sort of thing isn't worth $499 though.

Author:	Dimrill [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:59 ]
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Or 20-30 quid a month.

Author:	kalmar [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 23:01 ]
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Plissken wrote: It is almost ideal to have around the home. Look up TV guide, booking tickets online, subscribe to the paper and read it in the evening. The sort of thing that is too faffy to do on a phone and too much hassle to fire up a laptop. (Or even a netbook, the ease of the tablet against the clamshell of a netbook case...) That sort of thing isn't worth $499 though. Well, it is, if you're happy to pay 300+ quid for a netbook. Like the one I'm using right now which is a bit of a chore to do much more than basic web browsing on.

Author:	Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 23:05 ]
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I think Plissken has it spot on there pretty much. What you on with Dimmers? Why would you be spending £20-£30 a month to use your wifi at home?

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 23:06 ]
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Tissues

Author:	LewieP [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 23:19 ]
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Seems like if they want people to watch videos on it, it would have made more sense to make the resolution 1280x720 instead of 1024x768

Author:	Cras [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:09 ]
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Well, that and the fact that you can actually read eInk for more than ten minutes without eye cancer.

Author:	Grim... [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:26 ]
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I'm not 100% up to speed with this - I've been given periodic updates from Riles who was watching the live updates at Gizmondo, and I've taken the piss out of the Apple-humping Craig Gannell a bit. But - I've wanted a good tablet for ages - netbooks are too small and too underpowered to spend any real money on - I want a PC that lives inside a screen. The iPad is, unfortunatly, not that. It's too simple. It's too limited. It should be a MacBook wrapped up in a tiny package, but it's not - it's not even close. The video running on half the screen - what the fuck? No Flash? No real power in the RAM or processor? Screw that. No fucking background applications? Hello? Raving fanboys are going to grab one, but even they are saying "Durr, techies - this isn't for you - it's for your non-techie friends!". No it isn't. My non-techie friends a) don't want a tablet PC, and b) don't want a bad one. Contrary to most appearances, I'm not anti-Apple. I have a MacBook, and a collection of iPods. I think the iPhone is finally getting there (no mention of the iPhone V4 functionality, I see). As such, I know that most stuff that Apple rolls out to the market is good. The iPad though - it just isn't.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:34 ]
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Craster wrote: Well, that and the fact that you can actually read eInk for more than ten minutes without eye cancer. I'm sticking with books, myself. No battery woes, easy to read, no expensive gadget required, satisfying looking bookshelf. Reading something long on a screen just makes me want to weep. eInk might be fine to read, but in terms of price, no contest.

Author:	Grim... [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:36 ]
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Mr Dave wrote: Reading something long on a screen just makes me want to weep. eInk might be fine to read, but in terms of price, no contest. Bearing in mind that eBooks are free if you YARR them, that's not even close to being true. Unless you go into Waterstones and walk out with a bunch of books hidden in your jacket.

Author:	Wullie [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:40 ]
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Dimrill wrote: Just looking at Jobs' face makes me think he really would like a croissant and a glass of transparent wine there. Aye, I think that frequently. Attachment: bigjobs.jpg Seams fine to me.

Author:	Trousers [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:05 ]
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He's about 20 years too late for his ideal customer;

Author:	kalmar [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:33 ]
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Craster wrote: Well, that and the fact that you can actually read eInk for more than ten minutes without eye cancer. You can't really read things like technical pdfs, newspapers, anything with colour illustrations in it though. I was asking for a device that could do all this not long ago, and easily take notes on, and this does seem to be it. @Grim... Yes, it's not good when you look at the features and spec. But everyone said that about the original iPhone too. It didn't matter. Final point, £300 is cheap enough for a lot of gadget fans with disposable income to take a punt on even if they don't think it will suit them especially. Like I said, it's the same price as a crappy plasticy netbook which isn't really much fun to use with a full-size-machine OS on.

Author:	Cras [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:49 ]
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kalmar wrote: Final point, £300 is cheap enough for a lot of gadget fans with disposable income to take a punt on even if they don't think it will suit them especially. Like I said, it's the same price as a crappy plasticy netbook which isn't really much fun to use with a full-size-machine OS on. Sort of agreed. I think the data is the main issue. You're not going to get rid of your iPhone, because the iPad just isn't quite portable enough, and it isn't a phone. So you're stuck with having two 3G data contracts. That's pricey, in anyone's book.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:52 ]
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Craster wrote: Sort of agreed. I think the data is the main issue. You're not going to get rid of your iPhone, because the iPad just isn't quite portable enough, and it isn't a phone. So you're stuck with having two 3G data contracts. That's pricey, in anyone's book. Or you go down Lave's idea and have a MIFI with an Ipod Touch and a Ipad both using WIFI to connect ?

Author:	Grim... [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:56 ]
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kalmar wrote: Final point, £300 is cheap enough for a lot of gadget fans with disposable income to take a punt on even if they don't think it will suit them especially. I'd be surprised if it came out at £300.

Author:	Cras [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:56 ]
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Which is fine, if you're near somewhere with wifi. If you're not, you're stuck. And you can't even put your iPhone SIM in it, because it's one of only 3 devices in the universe that uses the stupid MicroSIM.

Author:	kalmar [ Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:06 ]
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Craster wrote: Sort of agreed. I think the data is the main issue. You're not going to get rid of your iPhone, because the iPad just isn't quite portable enough, and it isn't a phone. So you're stuck with having two 3G data contracts. That's pricey, in anyone's book. Well.. I can't really see using something like that on the bus anyway, so I probably wouldn't be using it outside of wifi areas much. If I did get one with 3G I'd probably just take the SIM out of the phone on the odd occasion I needed it. Or tethering nonsense... [edit] Microsim, WTF?