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Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Malabar Front wrote:
MaliA wrote:
What I like about cycling in teh woods is that you can just keep doing loops from a central starting point, and have a break and a chat after each bit. So it breaks it up nicely.


The local woods is a loop of about 1.5 miles, so I just did a few laps at the end of my ride. It's nice that way, because not only do you start to learn the course so you can go faster each time, but you can leave at any point without having to travel far home if you're tired.


Yeah, that's good. When I was a teenager, the woods were only about 5 miles from home, so that made it a nice distance. I wish there were more woods near here. The proximity also makes for a shorter push home when things break.

Malabar Front wrote:
Of course, the laps were helped by constantly passing an incredibly attractive girl running the same loop in the opposite direction. Nothing takes your mind off any leg pain like a bit of eye-candy, as I'm certain you're aware.


Heh. Acebest. When I raced, the worst thing happened as there were 4 attractive wimmins watching by the side, I noticed them and then gracefully slid the bike on its side down the PERFECTLY FLAT bit of grass...

Malabar Front wrote:
MaliA wrote:
What could possibly go wrong?


We'd have to put up with Myp crying all day. 24 hours of it, man.


Well, only really for 8 hours. Unless we make him do all of it and we sit there and get drunk.

Author:  myp [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Malabar Front wrote:
I don't mean crying over the riding. I mean in general.

Objection withdrawn.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:47 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

C'mon, let's do it. There are 3 possible outcomes:

1) Awesomeness, we win
2) Awesomeness, we don't win but have a good time trying
3) 24 hours of absolute hell and everyone laughs at us
4) The world blows up

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

You need TEEM BEEX lycra ;)

Author:  myp [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

MaliA wrote:
C'mon, let's do it. There are 3 possible outcomes:

1) Awesomeness, we win
2) Awesomeness, we don't win but have a good time trying
3) 24 hours of absolute hell and everyone laughs at us
4) The world blows up

I'm hoping 4.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

myp wrote:
MaliA wrote:
C'mon, let's do it. There are 3 possible outcomes:

1) Awesomeness, we win
2) Awesomeness, we don't win but have a good time trying
3) 24 hours of absolute hell and everyone laughs at us
4) The world blows up

I'm hoping 4.


Good, so TeemBeeX would be :

Myp
Grim...
Malabar Front and myself.

Mimi can make the uniforms.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

We'd probably need lots and lots of spares as well. So rather than waste time fixing shit, I suggest we get 2 spare bikes. As then we'd only have to change the pedals.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

MaliA wrote:
Good, so TeemBeeX would be :

Myp
Grim...
Malabar Front and myself.

Mimi can make the uniforms.


Technically Myps would read 'TBX'

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Er...
I haven't yet seen what TEAM BEEX is actually intending to compete in. I'm guessing it has something to do with mountain bikes? Anyway: No, thanks. Doesn't DBSnappa ride bikes a lot?

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
Er...
I haven't yet seen what TEAM BEEX is actually intending to compete in. I'm guessing it has something to do with mountain bikes? Anyway: No, thanks. Doesn't DBSnappa ride bikes a lot?


It's only a 24 hour team based endurance event.

Author:  myp [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Technically, I don't own a (decent) mountain bike, though.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

MaliA wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Er...
I haven't yet seen what TEAM BEEX is actually intending to compete in. I'm guessing it has something to do with mountain bikes? Anyway: No, thanks. Doesn't DBSnappa ride bikes a lot?

It's only a 24 hour team based endurance event.

Can I use the Land Rover?

Author:  myp [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
Can I use the Land Rover?

I fully expect you'll be needed to pull us out of some bog or similar.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

myp wrote:
Technically, I don't own a (decent) mountain bike, though.


Change the tyres and it'll be fine.

Author:  myp [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

With no suspension?

Author:  Malabelm [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

myp wrote:
With no suspension?


Just bend your knees.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

myp wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Can I use the Land Rover?

I fully expect you'll be needed to pull us out of some bog or similar.


You George Michael fans are all the same.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 13:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

myp wrote:
Technically, I don't own a (decent) mountain bike, though.

You can have a borrow of mine.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 14:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

myp wrote:
With no suspension?


Suspension is not a "need". Your legs and arms ahve more travel in them than any suspension fork, so they'll do.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 14:02 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

MaliA wrote:
myp wrote:
With no suspension?


Suspension is not a "need". Your legs and arms ahve more travel in them than any suspension fork, so they'll do.

Simple Myp - You ride Mali's bike, and Mali and his telescopic limbs can ride yours.

Author:  myp [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 14:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Haha, sounds like a plan. Go, go gadget Mali!

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 14:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
myp wrote:
With no suspension?


Suspension is not a "need". Your legs and arms ahve more travel in them than any suspension fork, so they'll do.

Simple Myp - You ride Mali's bike, and Mali and his telescopic limbs can ride yours.


He'd last 200 yards on Vikki. It's a man's bike, not a Myp's bike.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 14:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Do you have to ride her hard, Mali?

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 14:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
Do you have to ride her hard, Mali?


No, it takes all my money and tries to kill me.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:38 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Hmmm

Author:  DBSnappa [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

MaliA wrote:
Be very careful buying old GT full sussers as they had some proprietary linkage swingarm they invented that they no longer support, so getting spares will be a nightmare.

Did I mention I have two Trek VRX 400 frames in my shed...

Author:  DBSnappa [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
Er...
I haven't yet seen what TEAM BEEX is actually intending to compete in. I'm guessing it has something to do with mountain bikes? Anyway: No, thanks. Doesn't DBSnappa ride bikes a lot?
I do. A shop in the west end I used to frequent a lot looked into entering one of these 24hr MTB races a few years back - it never went anywhere as whenever they thought of entering the comp was closed. I think it sounds like my idea of hell and you will be scared at the level of fitness of most of the amateurs that turn up at these things, let alone the pros. One of the courses I regularly ride (Penhydd at Afan Argoed) frequently runs comps and the pros who turn up do the course twice, on single speed bikes in approximately half the time it takes me to do it once.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

DBSnappa wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Be very careful buying old GT full sussers as they had some proprietary linkage swingarm they invented that they no longer support, so getting spares will be a nightmare.

Did I mention I have two Trek VRX 400 frames in my shed...


yeah, I think that might be a problem, as when I emailed GT, they couldn'tt ell me the seatpost size, or BB size. I'm reading about the VRX 400 frames atm..

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

I'm wanting to go out today,as it's lovely and sunny. However, I'm not sure which route I wish to do. There's the southern route, which was OK, but the firing range is still in use, or there is the Western route which I did the other week and it was a quagmire and I don't fancy the shortened southern loop. To the East there is a potential "there and back again" route, but I often dislike them, and it's mostly on road, but does have a hill. So if I do that, do i go up the hill on road, or down it off road?

Author:  Wullie [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 15:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Today I foolishly went out with a puncture repair kit & no tyre levers, it did give me a chance to try this technique though & it works surprisingly well even with deep walled rims & the worlds tightest tyreTM (Primo Walls).

Dunno if any of the other guides are of any use to you big bike loving types.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 16:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Kevlar beaded tyres also help. Another alternative is to stuff they tyrre full of grass.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 17:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

I have a set of beaded tyres for the Tomcat, but I can't imagine it's for the same reason. Do you reduce the air pressure in bike tyres for more traction?

Author:  DBSnappa [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 17:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
I have a set of beaded tyres for the Tomcat, but I can't imagine it's for the same reason. Do you reduce the air pressure in bike tyres for more traction?
The short answer to that is "no".

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 17:36 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
I have a set of beaded tyres for the Tomcat, but I can't imagine it's for the same reason. Do you reduce the air pressure in bike tyres for more traction?


It can be done. I don't as I don't carry a pump and can't be arsed with that amount of technical stuff. I tend to run tyre pressures at a constant level and ride around the compromise by weight shifting, which you end up doing a lot anyway to vary the loads on the tyres. I prefer a higher pressure in the front to let the shocks do the work and avoid punctures and a hard back tyre to avoid punctures as I'm not the most delicate of riders at times.

I prefer the beaded tyres for ease of getting on and off rim, though, and the small weight reduction that they bring.

It's a process of compromises, really, as I like a bike to do most things OK, whereas others set up to excel in other sorts of riding. My prefereance is for long draggy climbs with short technical uphills as i've got the build of a climber and quickk technical rider, not that of an out and out downhiller, so malibike is set up to reflect that preference (quick steering, weight over the back wheel, shorter reach to bars, bar ends to make things more comfortable).

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 17:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

MaliA wrote:
I prefer the beaded tyres for ease of getting on and off rim, though, and the small weight reduction that they bring.

Aha, it sounds like a different process. A beaded off-road tyre is a metal ring that goes inside the tyre so you get a ring - tyre - rim sandwich. Then you drill a load of holes through all three and bolt it all together so the tyre can't get away from the rim.
Then you can run pressures as low as 6psi for more traction without worrying about losing a tyre.

That's perhaps not the proper name for the process, though.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 17:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I prefer the beaded tyres for ease of getting on and off rim, though, and the small weight reduction that they bring.

Aha, it sounds like a different process. A beaded off-road tyre is a metal ring that goes inside the tyre so you get a ring - tyre - rim sandwich. Then you drill a load of holes through all three and bolt it all together so the tyre can't get away from the rim.
Then you can run pressures as low as 6psi for more traction without worrying about losing a tyre.


Ah, if it's soft, I run the thinnest possible tyres, at the highest pressures. They cut through the gloop to get to the hard stuff underneath. At the moment, I'm running something stupid, a 2.1 on the front and a 2.14 inch on the rear, which is shit for mud as the clearance is so thin by the frame, the mud clogs it up. And the wheels stop turning.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 17:52 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

As a further note on the "quick steering" issue:

My forks have about 100mm of travel, so I run them really soft, so about a third of that is used when I'm on the bike riding normally, which gets around the head angle issues and makes the sterring "normal" for the frame and not slower.

Author:  Wullie [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 18:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

MaliA wrote:
Kevlar beaded tyres also help. Another alternative is to stuff they tyrre full of grass.
I always found that the beading hindered rather than helped (for pulling the tyre off, not for 80 PSI cruising (yes that's what I ride)). The grass trick is great, though if you're pished you never do it right & have to buy a new tyre in the morning :(

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 18:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Just went over the bike. Currently need:

Spoke key
Gear Cables
Oil
2 sets front and rear brake blocks

Ho hum.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 19:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

What is a typical bike tyre PSI anyway? My trail bike has fairly skinny tyres (about an inch across, perhaps? I'll measure later) and I just pumped them up until they felt alright -- 40psi ish.

Author:  Wullie [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 20:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Depends on what/where they're used for, I ride a hyrid dirt/street BMX. My front is a Primo DirtMonster/VMonster (can't remember which) and it has 65 on it's wall which is what I run it at unless I'm playing in dirt, then it drops to 50. The back is a Primo Wall that says 80 PSI & I run it at 50 on dirt. Both are 20*2.25 which may or may not mean anything in the land of bigger wheels.

Author:  Malabelm [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 20:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

I run 50psi front and back, because I read it somewhere and don't know any better. It seems to handle road and off-road well.

Author:  DBSnappa [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 20:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

40-65lb PSI depending on profile and personal preference. I generally run about 45-50lb PSI in my tyres.
[edit] that's mountain bike tyres and rims - so 26" rim, 2.25 width.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 23, 2009 22:00 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Tyres say 35-65 PSI. I think I run toward the upper end of that, as I got tired of pinch flats a while back.

Author:  DBSnappa [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:00 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Don't know why we're bothering as I know the lazy cunt isn't actually going to ride it anywhere, hence there being no air in the bloody tyres anyway :p

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

I rode it a few times up until a couple of weeks back when my leg starting hurting, actually. So neener neener.

Author:  DBSnappa [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Funny that, your leg hurting from riding a bike for the first time in two years.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Nah, I took it out a few times, then didn't for a couple of weeks, then the pain started. Doc thinks it's a calf sprain now, although I had to have a blood test for DVT.

Author:  DBSnappa [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:13 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

Good god, you're falling apart man! That happens in your 30s, unfortunately.

Author:  Wullie [ Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Mountain bikes

DBSnappa wrote:
Don't know why we're bothering as I know the lazy cunt isn't actually going to ride it anywhere, hence there being no air in the bloody tyres anyway :p
In that case turned upside down & pumped up to a whopping 0 PSI.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
So neener neener.
Is that the noise the Ambulance made when you thought your chest was exploding? ;)

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