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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Future Warrior wrote: DavPaz wrote: The Picasso is due a belt change at 100k miles. It's currently on 102k miles. My last car snapped its belt. I should be worried, but the man quoted £400 to change it  Get it changed. Yes, do this. The Forester is up for its belts doing soon, too. Much better to do it than have to find a new engine. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Cras wrote: You can't afford a 2 grand engine rebuild either. The only time I had a cambelt snap (my Astra GTE), it started right back up again with no damage. The odds against that are quite spectacular, so I wouldn't recommend this as a tactic though.
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Grim... wrote: MaliA wrote: Subaru pissing oil on to the floor and "the engine light is on". Could be pricey if head gaskets. What a 24 hours this is turning out to be. Been over any rocks recently? [edit]Obviously, don't drive it anywhere with no oil in. Don't even start it up. Nothing huge*. Just down this bridleway **.I hope it is the filter seal gone. or the sump bolt loose. I really do hope. I checked the oil last week and it was OK, but Dr Google says "HG failure!" **accessing a house half mile down it *although MrsA has been hitting the speedbumps 50% faster than she should because "since when has it been 20mph?" |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Cras wrote: You can't afford a 2 grand engine rebuild either. The only time I had a cambelt snap (my Astra GTE), it started right back up again with no damage. The odds against that are quite spectacular, so I wouldn't recommend this as a tactic though.Fuck, that's impressive. I'd have thought it needed a new belt first, at least 
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| Author: | Cras [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
My Peugeot 306 Rallye engine smashed itself to shit |
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:14 ] |
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I was a good boy and got my Clio belts done when I bought the car. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:18 ] |
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I got a Rover 220i from a friend of mine that lost a timing belt. Because, as Doc says, that chances of an engine coming out of it unscathed are tiny, I whipped the head off and pulled the valves and every single one was fine. If I'd bothered to do a compression test it would have saved me a load of time and money. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
You should buy a Ford Ka. They have chains. In fact, Boy is it your lucky day! I have one! Would you like it? Lovely new alternator, coil spring, passenger door handle, thermostat. And sexy dent in the boot and rear quarter with added fence paint it looks like your old x wing toy with battle damage transfers! |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Why don't all cars use chains instead of belts, surely it's just a better way of doing it, considering the carnage when a belt snaps? My Type-R has a chain, which I'm comfortable with since it routinely spins out to 8200rpm. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
MaliA wrote: You should buy a Ford Ka. They have chains. In fact, Boy is it your lucky day! I have one! Would you like it? Lovely new alternator, coil spring, passenger door handle, thermostat. And sexy dent in the boot and rear quarter with added fence paint it looks like your old x wing toy with battle damage transfers! How long have you been trying to offload that thing? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Hearthly wrote: Why don't all cars use chains instead of belts, surely it's just a better way of doing it, considering the carnage when a belt snaps? Lower cost, noise and weight. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 13:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Mr Dave wrote: MaliA wrote: You should buy a Ford Ka. They have chains. In fact, Boy is it your lucky day! I have one! Would you like it? Lovely new alternator, coil spring, passenger door handle, thermostat. And sexy dent in the boot and rear quarter with added fence paint it looks like your old x wing toy with battle damage transfers! How long have you been trying to offload that thing? 
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 14:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Hearthly wrote: Why don't all cars use chains instead of belts, surely it's just a better way of doing it, considering the carnage when a belt snaps? My Type-R has a chain, which I'm comfortable with since it routinely spins out to 8200rpm. Chains are no guarantee of safety. There's a very well documented issue with VW 1.8 and 2.0TSI engines from around 2008-2010 where the cam chain tensioner would fail, with exactly the same results as a snapped belt. Anyway, what you want is a nice Fiat Punto with a 1.2 litre engine from around 2004 as it's a non interference design. If the belt snaps just put a new one on and there will be no damage. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 14:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Grim... wrote: Hearthly wrote: Why don't all cars use chains instead of belts, surely it's just a better way of doing it, considering the carnage when a belt snaps? Lower cost, noise and weight. And a nice little earner, selling you new timing belts every four or five years. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 14:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Dr Zoidberg wrote: Chains are no guarantee of safety. There's a very well documented issue with VW 1.8 and 2.0TSI engines from around 2008-2010 where the cam chain tensioner would fail, with exactly the same results as a snapped belt. Anyway, what you want is a nice Fiat Punto with a 1.2 litre engine from around 2004 as it's a non interference design. If the belt snaps just put a new one on and there will be no damage. OK then, if a non-interference design is a thing, why would anyone go with the interference design? It's like, belts and interference are about the worst combo they could have settled on, surely? |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 15:01 ] |
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Hearthly wrote: Dr Zoidberg wrote: Chains are no guarantee of safety. There's a very well documented issue with VW 1.8 and 2.0TSI engines from around 2008-2010 where the cam chain tensioner would fail, with exactly the same results as a snapped belt. Anyway, what you want is a nice Fiat Punto with a 1.2 litre engine from around 2004 as it's a non interference design. If the belt snaps just put a new one on and there will be no damage. OK then, if a non-interference design is a thing, why would anyone go with the interference design? It's like, belts and interference are about the worst combo they could have settled on, surely? Better performance at a guess. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 15:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Dr Zoidberg wrote: Better performance at a guess. Wikipedia says it knows, albeit with quite a lot of 'citation needed'. Belts are cheap and they can make money out of the servicing, it says. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_engine Interference is better for performance this says - http://www.theledger.com/article/201212 ... /121209501 I therefore conclude that a timing chain in an interference design is best. Which is good as that's what I've got. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 15:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
The answer, of course, is gear driven cams. Honda bikes had cam chain issues for years esp with tensioners (for some unfathomable reason), so their high end bikes like the VFR-800 V4 now have gear driven cams (as do most race engines). Not sure why gear driven cams aren't more common - money/complexity/noise I guess. Apparently the old V6 Capris had them so it's not exactly a new concept. |
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| Author: | krazywookie [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 16:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Gears make for poor response due to weight on the cam and are complicated when you put 4 cams on top of the heads. Chains somewhat more reliable than belts but more expensive to manufacture and replace. The answer: Wankel engine. 3 moving parts. Of course the tips wear horribly and they drink fuel but we're talking about belts
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 16:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Nice one Wookie.  I most certainly defer to you in this thread.
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 16:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
krazywookie wrote: The answer: Wankel engine. 3 moving parts. Of course the tips wear horribly and they drink fuel but we're talking about belts The RX-8 is getting pretty cheap now second hand, 231bhp and they look fab IMO. As you say though, not without their problems, horrible on fuel and emissions, specialist servicing required and so on. Plus they sound crap too. |
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| Author: | krazywookie [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 17:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Cavey wrote: Nice one Wookie. I most certainly defer to you in this thread. You're quite right though they are bombproof! I've worked on a car from 1912 that had cam gears and one from 1909 that had a chain! Only belts are relatively new I think... |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 17:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Doc's old astra - noninterference, not.luck. Helens old micra, with a chain? Stretched. Twice. And in the middle of the tiny engine. Nissan are idiots (or evil) for choosing a chain, making it inaccessible because its a a chain, then cost-reducing the chain. Helens current mk3 mx-5 has started doing a weird bouncing-rev-needle thing when returning to idle with clutch in or matting the gas. An Italian tune-up SEEMS to have helped, so I will continue with that for now, and add a bottle of kerosene. But if its down to how I drive it versus how she drives it, what's that? Flywheel? Chain tensioner? Leaky ring? I don't really mind if the engine doesn't last too much longer, I'm buying it off her to stick an LS in when it pops. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 19:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Grim... wrote: MaliA wrote: Subaru pissing oil on to the floor and "the engine light is on". Could be pricey if head gaskets. What a 24 hours this is turning out to be. Been over any rocks recently? [edit]Obviously, don't drive it anywhere with no oil in. Don't even start it up. Engine light was the "feed me oil" one. As there is none in there according to the dipstick. I popped to Asda (in the Ka) and bought some. I will pour it in and see how much is on the floor tomorrow. This will tell me if it is the sump or "other", I suppose.* *classical geneticist, me. Do one thing and wait for the end result. A biochemist would remove each component and examine it to see what it interacted with |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 20:44 ] |
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How long has it run since the light lit? Unfortunately seems like the same 'too late' light so many cars have now. May as well be a credit card symbol. Hopefully its a head gasket so at least thr oil came out the 'top'. Or was the sump and it's dribbled out while off. To have nothing at all on dipper though. Fingers crossed. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 21:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Not that far. 10 mins at most at low revs. I stuck a gallon of oil in and we'll see what happens. The coolant tank isn't frothy so I think it might not be HG. I forgot it eats oil every 7k miles whuch us about when I filled it last. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 21:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
My m3 had a leaky head gasket - but there was no mixing, it just seeped out the side of the block. Anyway. Good luck. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
MaliA wrote: Mr Dave wrote: MaliA wrote: You should buy a Ford Ka. They have chains. In fact, Boy is it your lucky day! I have one! Would you like it? Lovely new alternator, coil spring, passenger door handle, thermostat. And sexy dent in the boot and rear quarter with added fence paint it looks like your old x wing toy with battle damage transfers! How long have you been trying to offload that thing? T'were a genuine question. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Mr Dave wrote: MaliA wrote: Mr Dave wrote: MaliA wrote: You should buy a Ford Ka. They have chains. In fact, Boy is it your lucky day! I have one! Would you like it? Lovely new alternator, coil spring, passenger door handle, thermostat. And sexy dent in the boot and rear quarter with added fence paint it looks like your old x wing toy with battle damage transfers! How long have you been trying to offload that thing? T'were a genuine question. I umm and ahh over it regularly and then decide it is too much hassle to get rid and find something else to take me to work in. Given I'd spend £1,500 maximum on a commuting car, I think better the devil I know as I'd just buy a 100k+ mile MGF which would rust to pieces. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
The oil level was fine this morning in Big Car so I'll move on to changing the oil filter and see what happens then. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 16:48 ] |
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Still going strong! |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Oct 02, 2015 14:07 ] |
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Whoo! |
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| Author: | krazywookie [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 20:14 ] |
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What am I cooking? |
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| Author: | krazywookie [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 20:17 ] |
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Can't seem to rotate that. Hmm. |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 21:07 ] |
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krazywookie wrote: Can't seem to rotate that. Hmm. I've done it for you, thus making this post look silly. 
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| Author: | krazywookie [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 21:12 ] |
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It's worth it, thanks. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 23:13 ] |
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Hmm. I think it's a trick question, and you're crack testing something. |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 23:48 ] |
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Could he just be testing crack? |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:23 ] |
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It better be made of pig. |
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| Author: | krazywookie [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 13:05 ] |
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 one must cook ones rolls Royce v8 on a low simmer for 6 hours (or untill tender) before removing the liners to avoid damaging the fragile block
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 14:08 ] |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:42 ] |
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Both my Skoda's are unaffected by the emissions issue. For one it was very obvious as it has an EU6 engine (what ever that means!) and the other one is OK after entering the VIN on the site. Suppose its good news unless they start handing out cheques next year
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:51 ] |
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Look at this shit. LOOK AT IT! http://www.imgur.com/3tC7Y1D.gifv edit: What happened to that embedding shizzle? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:19 ] |
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You just did it wrong. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:22 ] |
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Wait, does it not crash? I guess it climbed the rocks pretty well, but he does have massive wheels. Let's see it do this on road tryes: |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:26 ] |
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Surely that's a tilted camera! |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:27 ] |
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They'd have had to spend a long time counter-tilting the trees in the background to look vertical. Off-road cars be hardcore, yo. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:27 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Surely that's a tilted camera! Does someone walk past perpendicular to the 'cliff'? |
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| Author: | markg [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 13:16 ] |
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Grim... wrote: They'd have had to spend a long time counter-tilting the trees in the background to look vertical. Off-road cars be hardcore, yo. The blurb claims 45 degrees, which is obviously very steep. But the camera definitely misrepresents that it a bit at times. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 14:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
krazywookie wrote: :D one must cook ones rolls Royce v8 on a low simmer for 6 hours (or untill tender) before removing the liners to avoid damaging the fragile block Awesome! (My best guess for this was boiling a chuffing large, very manky chain and about 5 gallons of Gunk )
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