It was for Obama because Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Now they hold all three key positions.

Conceded, but there are plenty of Republicans who'll stand up and be counted if the really batshit stuff ever remotely comes to pass, and there are the internal machinations of the real powerbrokers in American politics; the corporations, the civil service, FBI and whomever. We'll see.

Obama's legacy looks wretched, though. Great orator for sure, shame about all the other stuff huh.

It's not only politics. America has as good as elected a man who thinks it's ok to "grab [women] by the pussy".

I wanted better than that. Better for me, better for my daughter.

It's definitely not "only" politics.

and I'm completely dumbfounded as to how any woman could've voted for the guy - but vote they did, in their millions upon millions.

Have you seen his probably cabinet? Newt Gringrich as SoS. I'm laugh-crying

Yeah, they're funked.

Because sexual assault is so "normal" that it doesn't even factor into the decision whether or not to vote for a man who is complicit?

Because sexual assault is so "normal" that it doesn't even factor into the decision whether or not to vote for a man who is complicit?



I honestly don't know.

And so are we. Who is going to be the country first asked to join them in bombing Iran, North Korea, whomever?

Just like with Brexit, I don't think there was any attempt to look at the claims made by the winning side to see if they were even vaguely plausible. Facts didn't come into it.

I blame the internet. Because it seems that when ordinary folk get hold of it then it becomes far better at spreading absolute total bollocks via Facebook memes etc. than actual knowledge.

My word, doesn't that resonate with recent years? "Bullshit baffles brains" springs to mind.

That's a dangerous path to tread.

Because sexual assault is so "normal" that it doesn't even factor into the decision whether or not to vote for a man who is complicit?



I honestly don't know.

A female friend of mine voted for Trump, but her reasoning seemed to be less about liking him, but her absolutely hating Hillary. For weeks she's been posting several links/comments on FB, not aimed at bigging up Trump (she barely mentioned him), but purely to spread reasons not to vote for Hillary. I wondered what Trump would have had to have done to change that.

I'm curious to see what Trump will be like now that he's won -

I'm curious to see what Trump will be like now that he's won - and how he's going to be towards those people and countries that spoke so openly against him.

A female friend of mine voted for Trump, but her reasoning seemed to be less about liking him, but her absolutely hating Hillary. For weeks she's been posting several links/comments on FB, not aimed at bigging up Trump (she barely mentioned him), but purely to spread reasons not to vote for Hillary. I wondered what Trump would have had to have done to change that.

I think we'll all look back on this in 10 years time and laugh about what an interesting time we had in 2016 and how our subsequent lives have been boring in comparison.

Also, blame white people.

I hope you're right and it won't be: "remember in 2016 when we thought we had it bad? LULZ"

Should they stay poor and educated to a much lesser degree and suffer the consequences of such a state in silence?

They must've been close to being the two most hated contestants for the presidential election in American history.

Should they stay poor and educated to a much lesser degree and suffer the consequences of such a state in silence?

What are you talking about? White people (men and women) voted for Trump in the majority, regardless of age and education.

From here:

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And the couple of articles I like linked to. White people without a college degree voted massive for Trump, compared to Clinton. The articles say that by and large wages have shrunk and jobs gave gone. They felt forgotten by the system who only seemed to cater for those with further education. Voting Clinton would propagate this inequality, so they voted Trump as it seems to them to be the best option for a better life. I am not saying it is right, but can understand the motivations. Both the Washington Post and Gruaniad articles are very interesting.

Ummm. Poor people voted Clinton according to that graph. And the majority of white people with a college degree voted Trump. It is clearly a race divide and not a class one.

Older, white people appear to be the typical republican voter. Obama'd victory in 2012 was largely in part a result of high minority turn outs. 59℅ the republican vote was white compared to 63%. There seems to be a large swing in % terms of people voting republican without a college education.

It was a campaign based on fear, and being anti- things. It was take the largest single block of voters there is, and tell them everything that is different to them is a threat to them. Muslim terrorists. Hispanic immigrants. Liberals. Godless atheists. Schrodingers job thieves/benefits scroungers. Once you've done all that, and made your opponent stand up for all those groups, you've got that vote locked in. It was exactly, to the playbook, the exact same thing as Brexit. Persuade the electorate to be afraid of things, then they'll believe you can help, even in the absence of any concrete policy or plans.

And the core of the point, about globalisation and offshoring work? Trump is the king of it! All his retail products use cheap foreign labour, all his real estate uses foreign construction materials. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

And those most effected picked up that particular ball and ran with it. Glancing over Wikipedia, the 2012 demographic s seem to show a much higher minority ℅ turn out for Democrats compared to 2016. Republican demographic seems to be almost the same with the exception of the poorly educated white slice, which is massively over represented on the chart Haywood showed. Basically, I think the reliance on a mi ority turnout that didn't materialise was a large factor, not just "it was white people".