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The Rules and the Standings
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Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:41 ]
Post subject:  The Rules and the Standings
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It's the Great BETEO Song Wars!
How it works (maybe subject to change, depending on circumstances)

The players are divided into four groups. Each week, every competitor puts forward one song of their choice, through Grim...'s excellent inline MP3 player, or a YouTube clip. The choices for each group are put to a vote, and anyone else on the forum can allocate a score for the three songs they like the most (more points for the favourite, slightly fewer for the second and third favourites, as with the photography thread). The three songs in each group with the most vote-points are allocated league-points, and a league table is produced.

The scoring will be along the lines of:

Most votes in a week: 5 points in the league.
2nd most votes in a week: 3 points in the league
3rd most votes in a week: 1 point in the league.
(In the case of a tie, the points are shared as follows: more than one person tie in first place, all get four points. More than one person tie in second, all get 2 points. More than one person in 3rd, all get one point.)

At the end of the ten-week 'season', the top two from each group go into a knockout stage. From there, it's a straight knockout - four 'quarter-final' matches in the first knockout week, two 'semi-final' matches in the second knockout week, and a big final. (Note: Depending on the feelings of other players, one knockout stage may see a prolonged voting period to allow for the Christmas break.)


Themes
Note: Rule amended 8th Oct, now themes are picked three weeks in advance.

The first week of the wars will be open to absolutely any type of song. The second week will require the chosen song to be a cover version. For week four onwards, players in each group will have to pick a song adhering to a specific theme, chosen by the player with the lowest number of votes in the first week*. The theme should be chosen so that it can apply to any type of music, along the lines of "a band or song with a number in the title", "a song from a movie", "songs lasting less than a minute", or in true Mark and Lard's Cheesily Chart Challenge style, a track applicable to an event in the news. You could even throw a curve ball, and decide the theme will be "pick the worst possible song", with votes being placed for the worst track. However, themes such as "pick a heavy metal song" or "pick a dance track" are to be frowned upon, if only for being indicative of stultifying unoriginality. Conversely (and being slightly contradictory), picking "there is no theme" as a theme is perfectly acceptable.

If it's your turn to pick a theme, there's no reason why you can't choose a theme already used by another group, although picking a track already nominated in another group is likely to incur the wrath of the Song Wars Badger, Kevin. Oh, and the tenth (and final) round of matches will have a theme of Christmas, just to get everyone in the festive mood.

(*If more than one person has tied on the lowest score, the one with the lower position in group table will become the next theme-picker. If group positions are level, then there will be no theme for the relevant week. Similarly, to ensure each round of voting kicks off on time, if Johnny (or Jane) Themepicker hasn't nominated a theme in time, or doesn't want to choose one, there will be no theme for the relevant week. All this is getting more complicated than rugby union, isn't it?)

Anon

For each voting stage, only the songs are to be listed, meaning there's a fun guessing game to be had when trying to work out which Beexer picked which track. Post-voting, as the scores are revealed, so are the names.

Schedule

The first week is for any song you like, and for the second week the theme will be cover versions, so you can get those thinking caps on right now. The themes are decided upon around two weeks in advance so that anyone going away from the forum for a while can put forward songs in advance. Please note that if anyone doesn't pick a song for a given week, then no entry will be listed for them for that week - there should be plenty of time to catch up in the league if you miss a week or two, though.

Code:
Group draw       Wed 24 Sep
           
*             Voting Open      Voting Close     Theme
Week 1       Wed 01 Oct*      Tue 07 Oct       No Theme (*voting may start early if everyone gets their songs in early, but will last until Tues 7th Oct)
Week 2       Wed 08 Oct       Tue 14 Oct       Cover Versions
Week 3       Wed 15 Oct       Tue 21 Oct       No theme
Week 4       Wed 22 Oct       Tue 28 Oct       Picker/Theme -
Group A - Nirejhenge - "something to fire you up, get you moving, exciting, fast inspiring"
Group B - Scarysheep3000 - "songs that have parentheses in their titles"
Group C - Spinglo Sponglo! - "songs, about, involving, or sung by Children's Characters (ie from books, tv, film etc)"
Group D - Sheepeh - "Songs which have been on a 1980's movie soundtrack"
Week 5       Wed 29 Oct       Tue 04 Nov       Picker/Theme -
Group A - Mark X - "Songs with numbers in the title"
Group B - Mr Chris - "Songs that are appropriate for our economy taking a nose dive"
Group C - The Rev Owen - "songs with place names in the title"
Group D - Dr Awkward, nee Myoptika - "Epic (anyone choosing that Faith No More song will be frowned upon for not being very funny)"
Week 6       Wed 05 Nov       Tue 11 Nov       Picker/Theme -
Group A - "Songs accompanying a drive through a deserted city at 3am" (Plissken)
Group B -
Group C -
Group D -
Week 7       Wed 12 Nov       Tue 18 Nov       TBA
Week 8       Wed 19 Nov       Tue 25 Nov       TBA
Week 9       Wed 26 Nov       Tue 02 Dec       TBA
Week 10      Wed 03 Dec       Tue 09 Dec       Christmas Songs

** Top two from each group go through to knockout stage **
               
Qtr Finals        Wed 10 Dec       Tue 16 Dec       No Theme
Semi Finals       Wed 17 Dec       TBC              No Theme
Final             TBC              TBC              No Theme



Machiavellian Self-Voting

Due to the nature of forum voting, you will be able to vote for your own song, and there's nothing much that can be done about that. But then, politicians can vote for themselves in general elections, so there you go. Please note: people relentlessly pimping up the votes for their own songs will make baby Jesus cry.

The Prizes

Super big exciting prizes will be on offer for the winner. Or more likely, a couple of DVDs or albums I've somehow got two copies of.
Author:  Runcle [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 13:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: The Rules and the Standings
so after voting will league results be made? will the points be what they've earned in the voting or will points be given out for what position they finish?
Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 13:34 ]
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Runcle wrote:
so after voting will league results be made? will the points be what they've earned in the voting or will points be given out for what position they finish?


Yes, after the first round of voting, I'll compile league tables. The scoring will be along the lines of:

Most votes in a week: 5 points in the league.
2nd most votes in a week: 3 points in the league
3rd most votes in a week: 1 point in the league.

Having two kinds of 'points' certainly makes things a bit confusing, but this method should give people a chance to catch up if the slip behind in the league.


(I'll add this to the main rules now - just so everyone else doesn't think Runcle has missed it, and asked a question clearly answering in the preceding post...)
Author:  Dudley [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 14:08 ]
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I presume we can vote even if we're not involved?
Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 14:19 ]
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Absolutely, yes.
Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 15:15 ]
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Are we having a gentleman's agreement that you can't vote for your own song?
Author:  Shin [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 15:18 ]
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No bugger will vote for mine then :p
Author:  myp [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 15:50 ]
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Mr Russ wrote:
Are we having a gentleman's agreement that you can't vote for your own song?


Read the rules again. :)
Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 16:03 ]
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myoptika wrote:
Mr Russ wrote:
Are we having a gentleman's agreement that you can't vote for your own song?


Read the rules again. :)


I know it says you can, I was just wondering whether we should agree not to. I haven't voted for mine anyway. Not even one point.
Author:  MrChris [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 16:33 ]
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If you dont think your song's good enough to vote for there's not much point putting it forward... ;)
Author:  The Rev Owen [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 16:39 ]
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I'll vote for my favourites in each group. If mine happens to be the best, so be it.
Author:  Sheepeh [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 16:43 ]
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I didn't vote for my own song, as I thought that would be a bit naughty, like. And obviously everyone would vote for their own most of the time.
Author:  Runcle [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 16:49 ]
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Im not voting for my own either.
Author:  MrChris [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 16:53 ]
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If it's the best, you should vote for it, otherwise there's little point.
Author:  myp [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 21:01 ]
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If I don't vote for mine, then I have no courage in my own convictions that my music taste is the fucking best.

That said, I haven't actually voted on my group yet.
Author:  Rodafowa [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 22:42 ]
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I've not voted for mine. It's hardly a big deal one way or the other, though.
Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 23:10 ]
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As noted in the rules, the voting system means that there's nothing to stop you voting for your own song. However, doing so would make you a bit of a Terry-Thomas style cad.

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- Someone who voted for themself, yesterday.


Coincidentally, I've just added a bit in the rules about what happens in the event of a tied vote - essentially, the points are shared.
Author:  myp [ Thu Oct 02, 2008 13:00 ]
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Did you stick that in because the votes in Group A are perilously close?
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Oct 02, 2008 13:08 ]
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The Rev Owen wrote:
I'll vote for my favourites in each group. If mine happens to be the best, so be it.


Yeah, that's how I roll too.
Author:  Mark X [ Thu Oct 02, 2008 13:10 ]
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myoptika wrote:
Did you stick that in because the votes in Group A are perilously close?


Not really, more because there almost certainly will be tied scores at some point, and better I make the scoring system clear now than at the end of the week.
Author:  TsuMuch [ Sat Oct 04, 2008 14:18 ]
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I hope I haven't missed this being asked elsewhere, but what would happen if two people in a group submitted the same song one week? I realise it's highly unlikely in the open rounds, but when we get to the 'specialist' weeks (including picking covers) it seems a distinct possiblity. Would both have to re-submit a song, or would it be first-come first-served? Would the start of the round be delayed to give time to pick something different?
Author:  Mark X [ Sat Oct 04, 2008 14:35 ]
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TsuMuch wrote:
I hope I haven't missed this being asked elsewhere, but what would happen if two people in a group submitted the same song one week? I realise it's highly unlikely in the open rounds, but when we get to the 'specialist' weeks (including picking covers) it seems a distinct possiblity. Would both have to re-submit a song, or would it be first-come first-served? Would the start of the round be delayed to give time to pick something different?


I'd let the second person know someone else has got there first, and ask them to choose again. The same principle as the final round on Family Fortunes.
Author:  Runcle [ Sat Oct 04, 2008 14:36 ]
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how many jeff buckley-hallelujahs you had for the next round?
Author:  Mark X [ Sat Oct 04, 2008 15:22 ]
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Runcle wrote:
how many jeff buckley-hallelujahs you had for the next round?


None yet, nor have I had anyone pick Johnny Cash's version of Hurt. Both still up for grabs, people!
Author:  Mr Russell [ Sat Oct 04, 2008 17:55 ]
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Someone would then have to pick Kermit's version.
Author:  Rodafowa [ Sun Oct 05, 2008 15:08 ]
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Mark X wrote:
Runcle wrote:
how many jeff buckley-hallelujahs you had for the next round?


None yet, nor have I had anyone pick Johnny Cash's version of Hurt. Both still up for grabs, people!

Or Hendrix's All Along The Watchtower?
Author:  Mark X [ Sun Oct 05, 2008 15:49 ]
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Rodafowa wrote:
Mark X wrote:
Runcle wrote:
how many jeff buckley-hallelujahs you had for the next round?


None yet, nor have I had anyone pick Johnny Cash's version of Hurt. Both still up for grabs, people!

Or Hendrix's All Along The Watchtower?


I think I'm okay to mention that All Along The Watchtower has now been bagsied.
Author:  Bluecup [ Tue Oct 07, 2008 14:31 ]
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When does voting close? The actual polls says tomorrow but the schedule above has today.
Author:  MrChris [ Tue Oct 07, 2008 15:46 ]
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My cover version will literally make Craster explode.
Author:  Cras [ Tue Oct 07, 2008 15:59 ]
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Mr Chris wrote:
My cover version will literally make Craster explode.


Getting high scores in the mod vote won't help you if you get banned for that song before the vote finishes.
Author:  Mark X [ Tue Oct 07, 2008 17:31 ]
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Bluecup wrote:
When does voting close? The actual polls says tomorrow but the schedule above has today.


Midnight tonight. I'll start Round 2 then, even though the results from Round 1 won't be revealed until the polls close (and I get in from work to spill the beans on who picked what). I've already PMed the people still to choose tracks, and a result my PM inbox is bulging out the side of my monitor.
Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:11 ]
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Week two voting now (slightly belatedly) up.
Author:  Dudley [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:37 ]
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Nope, no-one went for the one I was going to choose, will post later.
Author:  Mimi [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:57 ]
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Mr Marky Mark of X town... Where can we see a list/table of the standings once the are compiled. I can't tell if they are already up and I am too blind to see them or if they are yet to be done. Also, do you know when we might find out what next week's theme might be?

Sorry, too many questions. This must be blinkin' hard work for you :/
Author:  Cras [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:59 ]
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I assume as the winner picks the next theme, that there will be potentially 4 different themes next week?
Author:  Mimi [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:02 ]
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Craster wrote:
I assume as the winner picks the next theme, that there will be potentially 4 different themes next week?


I was wondering this - I didn't know if it was the winner of each group or winner over all. Also, I thought it was the person with least votes? I'd better read the rules again.
Author:  Malc [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:19 ]
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Mimi wrote:
Craster wrote:
I assume as the winner picks the next theme, that there will be potentially 4 different themes next week?


I was wondering this - I didn't know if it was the winner of each group or winner over all. Also, I thought it was the person with least votes? I'd better read the rules again.



The way I read it, the loser of each group gets to pick the theme for that group in 2 weeks time.

So I'll be picking the theme for group C, Pundabaya for Group A, Pete in Group B, and whomever chose Machinae Supremacy in Group D.

Malc
Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:26 ]
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Oi! I'm not a loser, just success-related-differently-abled!
Author:  Malc [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:31 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
Oi! I'm not a loser, just success-related-differently-abled!


The person who chose the song with fewest votes. :P

Malc
Author:  The Rev Owen [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:33 ]
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I'm going to be away for a few weeks from next week, so I'm going to drop tons of points.
Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:34 ]
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Um, how do you work that one out, as the results haven't been announced? hmmm? HMMMMM?
Author:  Shin [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:40 ]
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The Rev Owen wrote:
I'm going to be away for a few weeks from next week, so I'm going to drop tons of points.


Send a few songs over that may tie in with themes maybe? I'm sure Mark would use them if you asked him to see which fit into where
Author:  Plissken [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:03 ]
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When do we find out who to praise/blame for which song?
Author:  Shin [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:21 ]
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I thought that was at the very end? In case people can tell by the songs you chose for each round what kind of thing people are going to put for the next one? If that makes sense :s
Author:  Malc [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:25 ]
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I thought Mark was going to reveal all when the voting period for this round ends.

Malc
Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 14:59 ]
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Spinglo Sponglo! wrote:
I thought Mark was going to reveal all when the voting period for this round ends.

Malc


I am, and that is going to happen RIGHT NOW. (Well, in a bit. In another thread, along with the current standings, along with exciting details of an exciting rule change that will be exciting.)
Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 16:27 ]
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** SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALERT **

Will I be able to edit the Week Two voting threads into stickies without the existing votes being cancelled out, or the forum going on fire or anything?
Author:  Cras [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 16:33 ]
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Mark X wrote:
** SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALERT **

Will I be able to edit the Week Two voting threads into stickies without the existing votes being cancelled out, or the forum going on fire or anything?


Uh - probly.

Vote Craster!
Author:  Cras [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 16:34 ]
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Craster wrote:
Mark X wrote:
** SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALERT **

Will I be able to edit the Week Two voting threads into stickies without the existing votes being cancelled out, or the forum going on fire or anything?


Uh - probly.

Vote Craster!


Just tried it - you can edit the first post and make it sticky without affecting votes in progress.
Author:  Mark X [ Wed Oct 08, 2008 16:36 ]
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Craster wrote:
Just tried it - you can edit the first post and make it sticky without affecting votes in progress.


Cheers, Crast-o.
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